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Post by rjdgull on Jun 17, 2012 9:13:32 GMT
There are all sorts of reasons for naming roads with its destination or describing previous features or landowners and examples of this in Torquay are Mallock, Palk and Cary with Plainmoor being on the cusp between the latter two's land holdings.
However, the developer's these days are increasingly naming roads for marketing purposes and maybe built around a theme i.e on the Willows the Bovis part was named after birds and the older Cavanna part names after Scottish Isles (relevence to Torquay?) One developer, even named a road, Jonida Close by taking the first two letters of his children's names! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 10:38:05 GMT
However, the developer's these days are increasingly naming roads for marketing purposes and maybe built around a theme i.e on the Willows the Bovis part was named after birds and the older Cavanna part names after Scottish Isles (relevence to Torquay?) One developer, even named a road, Jonida Close by taking the first two letters of his children's names! ;D There's all manner of roads throughout the country named after places in South Devon. I was in Sheffield last week and, flicking through the A to Z, noticed a Torbay Road in Grimesthorpe. And there’s even an estate in Southend-on-Sea with roads named after Bishopsteignton, Drewsteignton, Cornworthy, Kingsteignton, Buckland and Teigngrace...... |
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Post by aw on Jun 17, 2012 11:09:27 GMT
How the hell do you pronounce the Paignton ring roads name and why is called that! Seems purely bloody ridiculous!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 11:24:42 GMT
How the hell do you pronounce the Paignton ring roads name and why is called that! Seems purely bloody ridiculous! King’s Ash Road? Brixham Road? Oh, you mean Hellevoetsluis Way – named after Torbay’s Dutch twin town. I think that’s the trick. Use the twin’s name for a road that the public already refer to as something else. Maybe we should stick to twin town arrangements with the dominions? Something like Bendigo Way, Geelong Avenue or Woori Yallock Drive might slip off certain tongues more easily? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 15:13:56 GMT
In Chesterfield we have a Devonshire Close estate. The blocks of flats are named Appledore, Ilfracombe, Plymouth, Seaton, Torquay, Babbacombe, Brixham, Lynton, Honiton, Widecombe, Barnstaple and Dawlish Courts. I can understand why the Council would want to name buildings after pretty towns and villages but why Plymouth I can't imagine, although Barbican Court would have been OK. The most popular pub name in Derbyshire is the Devonshire Arms but that's because the dukes of Devonshire live at Chatsworth. So why are they not the dukes of Derbyshire? And when did Devonshire become just Devon, without the shire? And why Devonshire in the first place? Why not Plymouthshire or Torbayshire or Exetershire? So many questions so forgive my ignorance, please. Pleased to say, meanwhile, that last week we spotted the Chesterfield Hotel on Avenue Road in Torquay so clearly the respect is mutual.  |
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Post by longeatongull on Jun 17, 2012 17:55:04 GMT
How the hell do you pronounce the Paignton ring roads name and why is called that! Seems purely bloody ridiculous! I was told at the time it is pronounced "Hell foot slice" ......simples!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 17:56:53 GMT
The most popular pub name in Derbyshire is the Devonshire Arms but that's because the dukes of Devonshire live at Chatsworth. So why are they not the dukes of Derbyshire? And when did Devonshire become just Devon, without the shire? And why Devonshire in the first place? Why not Plymouthshire or Torbayshire or Exetershire? So many questions so forgive my ignorance, please. The prevalence of the name “Devonshire” in Derbyshire certainly came as a surprise to me when I spent time in Sheffield in the 1970s. Likewise “Norfolk” in Sheffield itself. The toffs angle is curious: the Devonshires at Chatsworth and the Devons at Powderham. The local mob are actually the Courtenays and that’s a name you’ll see given to buildings, parks and streets throughout Devon. Regarding the county itself, Devonshire is used occasionally – sometimes genuinely; sometimes to ham up things touristically – but Devon is the main usage. Nonetheless the “shire” addition is heard more frequently than in, say, Somerset or Dorset where it borders on the arcane. Devon, apparently, derives from the Dumnonii who were Celts occupying the present Devon and Cornwall back in the mists of time. Cornwall? I’ll leave it to others to give their angle on the ongoing rivalry between Devon and Cornwall. No doubt they’ll also provide advice about how to prepare a cream tea or opinions about the respective merits of pasties either side of the Tamar. Mind you, there’s plenty of pictures of cream teas on this site should you care to investigate. You’ll notice that Chelstongull tends to come to the fore when food is debated. But try not to be too alarmed if he ever offers to take you (or anybody else) “up the Dumpling”.Devon Dumplings? Never got to the root of that one I’m afraid..... |
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Post by chelstongull on Jun 17, 2012 18:07:33 GMT
You’ll notice that Chelstongull tends to come to the fore when food is debated. But try not to be too alarmed if he ever offers to take you (or anybody else) “up the Dumpling”. Quaffed several pints of excellent London Pride (other excellent ales are also available - Devon Dumpling, Doom Bar, Courage Best, John Smiths) up there last night with my wife and sister prior to ordering a curry from Curry Ocean. Whilst the curry (Balti Chicken Chilli) was excellent I have never in my life seen such a small naan bread - it was the size and thickness of a chapiti. Very very disappointed - I had to put a poor rating on trip advisor  |
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Post by rjdgull on Jun 17, 2012 18:20:21 GMT
Indeed Barts, Devon goes back a long way and comes from the Celtic tribe or peoples that used to live here. The Roman or Latin term for the tribe was the Dumnonii (deep valley dwellers?  - lots of hills here) and the land was known as Dumnonia. I don't think the Romans got much past Isca (Exeter)so in answer to the question of what have the Romans ever done for us? Well, they kept that lot up the road in their place! ;D The modern derivative of Devon is thought to come from the Welsh name for it - Dyfneint. As for the Shire, Devon was invaded and became part of the Saxon Kingdom of Wessex and I think the Shires date back to this period but don't know how much this term was used. There was a feature on the news this week where the place names between the ancient Britons and the Saxons more or less stops dead on the River Tamar between us and Cornwall. As moderator on here I was hoping that cream teas wouldn't get mentioned!   |
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Post by Jon on Jun 17, 2012 18:41:45 GMT
Regarding the county itself, Devonshire is used occasionally – sometimes genuinely; sometimes to ham up things touristically – but Devon is the main usage. When OUR football club was taken over by a delusional fantasist, one of the things that sparked a few enquiring minds to dig into his murky past was that he claimed to have family from "Devonshire", which is something anybody who really had family from Devon would never say. He might have got away with the other fairy stories - having played in the UEFA Cup for a Czech team, having been called up for England under 21s and knowing anything whatsoever about running a business - if it hadn't been for that rookie error. |
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Post by Jon on Jun 17, 2012 18:46:07 GMT
Quaffed several pints of excellent London Pride (other excellent ales are also available - Devon Dumpling... London Pride over Devon Dumpling. You really have changed.  I've brought my lad up proper - a couple of bottles of Bays' Devon Dumpling for a Father's Day Present! Handsome. |
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Post by chelstongull on Jun 17, 2012 18:52:07 GMT
Quaffed several pints of excellent London Pride (other excellent ales are also available - Devon Dumpling... London Pride over Devon Dumpling. You really have changed. I've brought my lad up proper - a couple of bottles of Bays' Devon Dumpling for a Father's Day Present! Handsome. London Pride 4.3 ish with Dumpling coming at 5.1 ish ABV. |
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Post by Jon on Jun 17, 2012 18:52:15 GMT
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Post by Jon on Jun 17, 2012 18:58:45 GMT
London Pride 4.3 ish with Dumpling coming at 5.1 ish ABV. Isn't taste more important than ABV? Any way, I always thought the higher the ABV the better. Support your local beer! Don't forget that the Devon Dumpling is a local pub for local people. We don't want any of that foreign London beer in OUR pub! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 19:12:22 GMT
When OUR football club was taken over by a delusional fantasist, one of the things that sparked a few enquiring minds to dig into his murky past was that he claimed to have family from "Devonshire", which is something anybody who really had family from Devon would never say. Indeed. I remember thinking the very same thing and immediately cringed. His mother's side? Ah yes, the Czech spy as "outed" by the Mail on Sunday. That would be unsual in itself as I guess Devon has produced relatively few agents for the KGB (or any of its related services). |
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- lots of hills here) and the land was known as Dumnonia. I don't think the Romans got much past Isca (Exeter)so in answer to the question of what have the Romans ever done for us? Well, they kept that lot up the road in their place! ;D The modern derivative of Devon is thought to come from the Welsh name for it - Dyfneint.
