FL2: Torquay Utd v Swindon, Boxing Day 2011

Some of the stuff I`ve read about him is by the same posters who seem to have a problem with him regardless! And he`s not from Brixham, he`s from the Argyle catchment area, won`t say exactly where on here because it`s personal details that if he wants made known then it`s up to him to say. I also never said he deserved MoM just questioning some of the negativity directed towards him.

Just read what the gaffer said, he seems to know a thing or two about football! www.torquayunited.com/page/News/0,,10445~2558604,00.html
Outstanding centre-back pairing, kept Swindons giant forwards quiet all game is also what the gaffer thinks www.torquayunited.com/page/News/0,,10445~2558614,00.html
So basically some folk on here seem to think they know better than the gaffer, where are your coaching badges and years of playing and mangerial experience? I know it`s a forum and forums are about opinion but it would appear that a few people must be in the wrong line of work as they seem to want perfection at the wrong end of the football spectrum. I blame the PremierLeague and too much top flight football on t.v, realistically we are doing way beyond expectation on the pitch with what we have avaliable to us, if we had Rovers or Swindons budget to play with we would be destroying this league! Sometimes it`s better to have players that will give you everything they have, like our players do, than the big money players who usually don`t have to dig so deep to get results. How many times have we seen the underdogs in a cup game punish a team they normally wouldn`t have the right to play against? If Martin can keep rallying these boys to play a cup game nearly every match then he and the players should be recognised for this massive effort and contribution! Decanio has thrown sh*t loads of Swindon cash at his squad and berates his players whereas Martin instills confidence and belief in ours, thus we beat a team that is worth (on paper) a shedload more than ours and yet people are still prepared to look for faults and unjustly critisize our lads!

To be fair Phil I to was yelling my lungs out at Chris to go to the corner and feckin` well sit on it, I`ll ask him what he was thinking next time I see him!

And something I just can't get my head around is when something that isn't all happy clappy is written some people take it personally, or think its an attack on the club, its not its just my own opinion of a player and his performance, which I should be able to express regardless of how well/badly we are playing and regardless of my qualifications.

Do you want a forum where topics are debated or a place where people can only write positive things?? If so its gonna more like a chat room, which I don't believe is how anyone would want it to be.

Just because something negative is written doesn't make it a personal attack, as I have said before if you, or anyone else, disagrees with what I have written then write something back to counter the argument, rather than just moan about what I have written.

Deal with the content of the post if you want to reply not moan about why it is written. I think Ellis is a liability, you think? .........................

As far as I am aware you don't have to be a football coach or a manager to watch something and then express an opinion or are you now saying that ONLY fully qualified coaches and Managers are allowed to write on here?? I am a level 1 coach so to what level am I allowed to make a comment??

Overall I thought my comments on the match were positive and balanced, so its not like I was slagging of the team/club for the hell of it.

Aussie you are one of the few people I know who's heart is in the right place, you are also as passionate about this club as anyone I know, but you can't take things said on here to heart or personally. I'm sure Mark Ellis is a really nice lad, his girlfriend and parents are really nice, we sat with them at the Accrington away game last year, but that shouldn't stop me from voicing my opinion.

Im afraid it will always sound like you are being over criticle TUFC01.
We produce an exceptional rear guard action and as good as defensive display as I have witnessed for a long long time and you just pick out a negative to post about one player.
I do agree that Mark maybe didnt quite deserve MoM only because of a couple of wild kicks at the end of the first half that could well have cost us but in my opinion more than made up for those mistakes when questions were asked of him and was well up there with the best performers on the day.
Every player at our level has their limitations they ALL can be liabilities as you put it at one time or another even Eunan Okane has been a liability on occasion by trying to be over ambitious with a pass and giving it awy in dangerous areas. Olejnik could have cost us the game with a wild punch and a missed cross etc etc.
Your views apear to me unfair and prejducised and in my view Ellis was not a liability, no more than any other player playing at this level. and its seems clear you dont want him in the side as you have made up your mind.
At our level sublime passing postioinlay aware, doiminent in the air fully commited centre backs are rare if non existent.
When did we last have one of those?
Maybe Ling should pluck one out of the air in the transfer window.

very true,i never normally agree with match sponsor mom awards,at times farcial choices are made,again its usually way off what most of us supporters think it should be.

Without wishing to rekindle the whole Ellis debate, I too thought that the decision to give him Man of the Match was wrong.

I thought that the whole team was magnificent against Swindon and Ellis certainly put in some great work, but you cannot deny that he dropped not one, not two, but three huge Ellis clangers during the game.

The funniest was the swinging the leg and totally missing the ball to let them through on goal. The most talked about was the getting the wrong side of the man (again!) and then bringing him down on the edge of the box and not getting a red card.

But the worst, in my opinion, was the jumping for a header with his arm waving and not keeping his eye on the ball so that it clearly struck his hand. A schoolboy error which fortunately neither the ref or the lino spotted. That would have been such a frustrating penalty to concede.

Robbo, who I have criticised previously, never put a foot wrong all game so if you wanted to give the prize to a centre back he was the man. I would have gone for Lathrope - and I see a few others would too.

I don't think there is a huge difference in quality between our three centre backs really. So far it has been a case of the two in possession keeping the shirt with changes coming due to injuries and suspensions.

When Saah returns, I would be amazed if Robbo lost his place. I wouldn't be surprised if Saah has to wait his turn, but I would not be surprised if he returned in place of Ellis. I am sure that messrs Ling and Taylor have noted his three lapses down - however supportive they have been in public.

If the latter happens, cue mass hysteria. Only an imbecile would drop the man of the match. Sort it out Buckle Ling!