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Post by bbcgull on Oct 30, 2008 22:58:32 GMT
Not much on wiki for the Wessex....The Wessex Stadium is a multi-use stadium in Weymouth, England. It is currently used mostly for football matches and is the home ground of Weymouth F.C.. The stadium has a capacity of 10,000 although in recent years due to health and safety it has only been able to hold up to 6,600. The club have plans to move to a new 6,000 all seater stadium, hoped to be ready by 2012. (bbcgull edit : i still cant see why a ground opened in 1987 needs to go already)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2008 8:46:55 GMT
It's an unlovely ground in an unlovely part of town. When the offer from a supermarket came in for the old ground - bang in the middle of town - the Wessex was built in a no frills manner and was one of the first of the generation of new purpose-built "stadiums". From my experience it looks rather better under the cover of darkness.
Reduced capacity aside, it's functional and, as far as I know, serves its purpose. But this is Weymouth FC so money, land, power and intrigue are never far away.
As of this week, the ground may - or may not - have been sold to somebody or the other (possibly even the chairman's dog). Certainly the club's statement seems rather different to the story in this week's Non League Paper. Clauses and sub-plots aside, the latest set of plans point to a possible new ground where the rugby team currently play (on the left coming in from Dorchester). Looking at the map this throws up the possibility of the Sea Life Park and Marine Sanctuary End (but hopefully the butterfly farm will remain unaffected).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 9:25:50 GMT
The future of Weymouth FC - and the Wessex Stadium - was the lead story in the local paper on the day of our game and, again, later in the week. It's now apparent that the investment arm of Morgan Sindall, one of the country's largest building firms, has purchased the land surrounding the Wessex and has formed the Wessex Development Partnership to push for a new ground elsewhere in the town (and presumably the re-development of the present site). The stadium remains in the hands of the Weymouth chairman, himself a property man, who has only been at the helm for a year and is extremely unpopular. It appears he wants to sell the club - as quickly as possible - while remaining on the scene to develop the new stadium. Further transactions depend on planning permission. A twist is that Morgan Sindall's man is an ex-director (as Trust representative) of AFC Bournemouth who was also rumoured to be interested in the actual club. This one will run and run. There was a reference to the Recreation Ground, Weymouth's home from 1897 to 1987, in Tuesday's programme. Apparently the club was one of the earliest to have floodlights and hosted a midweek friendly against Torquay in 1953 in front of 3,170. The Rec was close to the Town Bridge, and the present-day harbour marina, on land now occupied by Asda. The record crowd was 12,500 against Yeovil in the late 1940s with 6,000 watching the 1960 FA Cup tie against Torquay United. Weymouth stepped up from the Western League to the Southern League in 1949 and remained a major non-league force for 40 years before declining shortly after moving to the Wessex Stadium (a situation only reversed in recent years). A peak was becoming the Conference's first runners-up in 1979/80 (when it was known as the Alliance Premier League). However, the best times were the Southern League championship wins of 1965 and 1966, the first of which was under the management of Frank O'Farrell before he came to Plainmoor in May 1965. In time Tommy Spratt, Andy Donnelly and Micky Cave all followed from Weymouth. Here's a picture of Frank O'Farrell after Weymouth's 1965 championship win, a picture probably taken days before he left for Torquay:
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Post by Dave on Nov 7, 2008 16:35:45 GMT
I talked with some Weymouth people yesterday morning and the felling Is there may not be a club next season.
the Weymouth chairman Is only a front man and yes the real owner Morgan Sindall, as you say, one of the country's largest building firms, has plans to build Industrial units On the site Of the current ground.
They are trying to take over the towns Rugby club ground and build a stadium there, It would then be shared by the football club and the rugby club. From what I was told Is seems It will not happen as the rugby club Is not Interested In any ground share.
I would suggest that Weymouth find themselves In a similar Position as ourselves, when Roberts had our club. Owned by someone who has no Interest In the club, Its history or Its future.
As was the case with Roberts, Its all about people making money and they care not about the fans, Or the club as long as they can leave town with their bags stuffed full Of money.
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Post by Jon on Nov 7, 2008 17:08:30 GMT
Apparently the club was one of the earliest to have floodlights and hosted a midweek friendly against Torquay in 1953 in front of 3,170. The details are on www.tufchistory.comIt was on 4/2/53 and we lost 2-3, with goals from Sammy Collins and Don Mills. I think this was only our second game ever under lights – the first being at Gloucester City on 11/11/52. Weymouth was actually the very first team that the new professional TUFC club ever played – a 1-0 Western League win at Plainmoor on 3/9/21. We played each other regularly in both Southern and Western Leagues until we were elected to the League in 1927. I read the Ian Ridley book about Weymouth a few years ago, but don’t really understand all the toing and froing since Ridley left. I watched the goals from our match on Westcountry and they had a feature on the current troubles. I must say that, although you shouldn’t judge on appearances, their Chairman came across as a right smarmy git. I really hope things work out o.k. for the fans of Weymouth – they deserve a football club.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 18:50:52 GMT
Dave, yes, I read on a blog that the rugby club isn't too interested in these proposals.
Your mention of Roberts reminded me of the photo in the Herald Express of his meeting with members of Torquay CC and Torquay Athletic RFC. At first glance it looked like a young, besuited, city-slicker smug in his belief that he'd bamboozled the three older gentlemen in blazers. At a second look you saw three wise pillars of local society who, you suspected, had quickly got the measure of the usurper.
Jon, excellent stuff. I shall now share something with you.
Last season's cup/trophy games against Yeovil, Bath and Newport got me thinking when we last played so many clubs like these. Throw in the league matches against Exeter and Weymouth and you've got five clubs which appeared on our fixture lists in 23/24 and 24/25 (although it was the reserves of Exeter and Newport in those days).
[Adding Forest Green and Salisbury makes seven opponents from the South West and South Wales last season.]
These things come around, I suppose. It was only in 2001/02 when we played Bristol Rovers, Cheltenham, Exeter, Plymouth and Swansea in the League, Bournemouth in the League Cup and Bristol City in the LDV.
Seems like ancient history already.
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Post by Dave on Nov 7, 2008 19:30:16 GMT
Brett You asked On what grounds should a ground biult In 1987 needs to go already.It Is true the stadium Is In need Of repair, this Is due to pure neglect, the last owner who owns holidays parks In Dorset, never wanted to invest In maintenance, as he also had plans to sell the ground.
He had hoped a supermarket chain was going to buy It, he would have made lots Of money, but when the deal fell through, he stopped putting money Into the club and got rid Of most Of the players. Tully was one such player, who as we know went to Exeter.
With money spent On the stadium, It would fulfill the needs Of Weymouth town for many more years, but that money won't be spent as the owner only wants the land and nothing else.Why and how do people like these get Into football clubs.
Bartondowns says those three men looked like they really had Roberts sused, but Roberts took many people In and the promise Of a shinny new stadium, even had Merse fooled, who then dared to slag Of any local person, who In his view failed to see just how good It would be for the club.
The owner Of Weymouth Is no different from Roberts, people like these do not care about a football club, TUFC to Roberts was just the vehicle he needed to get what he really came for. Our club would have ended Up without Its own ground In a soulless empty stadium, that they could only use On match days.
I also watched the goals and heard what Jon heard, but while he may have seemed slimy, what we was saying sounded good and I felt what are the fans moaning about. That Is why yesterday morning while In Weymouth, I took the time to speak to my customers there and get their views.
Hearing their views, reminded me Of my strong views I made known about Roberts and I then got the feeling that the situation at Weymouth was not much different to when Roberts was here.
How can we forget the Dave Webb's years, remember our away end being taken away and a used car lot put there, tell me what fool would buy a car from that man, who some say had something to do with other events at the ground, we need say no more on that.
Yet he was able a few years ago to get control Of a club that up until then was so well run. Yeovil Town a club that was marching along and going In the right direction. I talked with people up there when he came, I gave warnings Of what would happen.
They soon found out and not before It was too late and the people who really loved and had worked so hard over the years, got the club back and the rest Is history.
Our own club was taken taken over by fans Of the club, people who loved It and Only wanted the club to be a success and not as some fool put On the HE website, looking to turn the ground Into houses.
I hope that someone In Weymouth Loves the club enough and get others to join him in getting the control Of the club, back In the hands Of people who have only one Interest and that Is Weymouth Town Football Club. I fear there Is no such person and where this stadium now stands will be Industrial units and this great club, that I know the people Of Weymouth care about, may be no more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 1:37:56 GMT
Something I didn't know I had - Weymouth v Torquay, FA Cup, 1960:
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Post by merse on Nov 8, 2008 7:49:28 GMT
That old Weymouth programme lists some fine old players................ Dennis Penford who became a wonderful mentor for so many youths in the area with his quiet manner of coaching, running of the Torbay Pioneer League and tireless work for the community. His younger son, Steve was a good referee and showed a lot of stead fastness and focus through taking up the whistle at a very young age; whilst elder son Chris produced some fine football teams through his role as a games teacher at Torquay Boys Grammar School. Geoff Cox was another who mentored a lot of youngsters into the game and ran the Torquay United Western League (Reserve) team thirty odd years ago. Geoff, a very mild and quiet guy certainly let you know if he was upset though and woe betide anyone who thought they could take advantage of his better nature! His son Maurice also played as pro for the club and in fact bagged the fastest ever goal at the old Wembley Stadium when playing in the Varsity Match for Cambridge University. Geoff's wife Madge was also my indispensible secretary during my time at Plainmoor! In earlier times, I was fortunate enough to play alongside and be coached by Geoff, Tommy Northcott and Don Mills - three of that side, as I've catalogued before; so I won't go over those old times again. But whenever I see the name of Larry Baxter listed my mind immediately goes back to my days sitting on the Boys' Benches at Plainmoor and really having my day made if the great man had either ruffled my hair or aimed a wise crack in my direction - which he was particularly prone to do. You see, such interaction with youngsters builds a bond between club and fan and stays for life..............far more than the facts and figures of individual games do!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2008 11:07:59 GMT
Merse, your posting certainly hit home with me because it contained the names of several people who were either near neighbours of ours or known to me through school.
This was an era of long-serving players many of whom, whether they were from the area or elsewhere, stayed in the town afterwards. These connections are now very long-standing: Geoff Cox signed Torquay from Birmingham in Dec 1957; Dennis Penford from Reading in June 1959. Such is fate especially at a time when, we are given to believe, players often had little say in being transferred from one club to another.
From a slightly later era to the Weymouth game it is pleasing to note that, if you look deep into the golf reports from Petitor, the names of Eric Welsh and Robin Stubbs feature in the Herald Express sports pages to this day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 20:36:46 GMT
Seems there's even more speculation at Weymouth. Tonight's Herald Express has picked up on a Dorset Echo story about the Dorchester Town chairman, something of a loose cannon I gather, stating that a "merger" between the clubs would be a good thing.
Most likely stuff and nonsense. The Dorchester man is talking about Weymouth - and presumably their BSP status - being welcome at the Avenue. He reckons it would be a simple case of merging the names, colours and supporters (a particularly interesting prospect). There's plenty of talk on the Echo website about not going "over the Ridgeway". This must be local vernacular for the high land between the two towns.
No suggestion of what the new entity might be called. Perhaps the Hardyesque Casterbridge and Budmouth United might be a runner?
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Post by Dave on Nov 27, 2008 20:44:48 GMT
Barton Downs Weymouths owner has only one thought and that is to sell the site of the current ground, the site he wanted to put a new stadium has real ground problems( a bog) his other idea to join with the rugby club is a non starter, so If Weymouth town fans want to still have a team, there may not be any other options left. As far as I know there are no problems between the two towns, the same could not be said for Weymouth and Portland, but you would struggle to find a good spot on that Island to put a football pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 21:08:14 GMT
Ah, Portland - the "Isle of Slingers" to Thomas Hardy.
I can think of two grounds on Portland. Portland United play where you turn left for the Grove Young Offender's Institution - and somewhere near the YOI there is a remarkable pitch sunk deep in an old quarry pit. And, of course, if you want to unnerve the locals just shout "rabbits!". Makes them nervous on account of all the land slips caused by the little furry things.
Not surprised about the bog near the proprosed Weymouth stadium - it's all rather reedy around there.
Would imagine there is a typical level of keen rivalry between Weymouth and Dorchester which stops short of true animosity - it's always heartening that Weymouth supporters maintain their contempt for Yeovile.
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Post by Dave on Nov 27, 2008 21:21:23 GMT
I'm well aware about the rabbits mate, I was told by the Weymouth folk, I know Porland well and I was taking Carol to see the lighthouse. On the way you see some sheds, (they call them beach huts) they sell for thousands of pounds. I got out my car and talked to a Portlander, he was not to pleased when I pointed to the sheds and asked him, is there where you keep all the rabbits
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 21:38:57 GMT
This is it - found at www.isleofportlandpictures.org.uk/sitipSports day at the Borstal (as it was then known) in the late 1930s. I discovered this place about ten years ago. It certainly had a football pitch then.
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