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Post by chrish on Oct 23, 2010 23:46:10 GMT
God, that referee was a prat. As Merse says if he booked Mansell for a dive. Why did he then award a free kick in favour of Billy Kee for the equaliser? Absolute madess. From our end of the pitch it was hard to tell whether we'd scored or not. It was only when some of our players run away from goal with their arms aloft that most started to celebrate. I had one of those fated days when I wonder whether I have a sign above my head saying "I love knobheads". I got the High Speed train down from St Pancreas and there were two Torquay fans in my carriage talking absolute shite being egged on by a girl who laughed like a sarcastic sheep. High Speed until Ebbsfleet and then it turns into a little branch line passing through limestone quarry or two, someone's back garden and then emerges from the tunnel at Strood which looks like the graveyard of all ambition. A little more ambition exists one stop up the line in Rochester although the site of a rusting Oberon Class submarine listing to starboard in the middle of the river is a rather pitiful sight. 23 quid to watch 4th Division football is a rip off. The only good thing is the view you get from the stand which is very good. "How's the view lads?" shouted Scott Bevan. "Great Scotty, we can see your bald patch" replied some old codger. Then fate dealt me another bad hand. Who then sat directly behind me? Yes. The two knobheads from the train who recruited another knobhead and another girl to egg them on. I know that we all watch football in our different ways and talk to varying degrees during games but dear god almighty I've never heard such absolute shite being spouted. The main culprit, who really loved the sound of his own voice, started off by berating a Gillingham player for a slightly mistimed on Nico by screaming "f**k off you dirty northern c**t", kept on saying "that's f**king dreadful" every time a pass went astray or a move didn't quite come off and then ended up two minutes after PB replaced Eunan O'Kane saying that he was a "f**king idiot", that he's "never f**king liked him and saving the best til last said "if I ever learned to like Paul Buckle it would be like forgiving a man for raping my mother"! Astonishing stuff. Add this to the other 90 minutes of middle class inane witless sarcasm about everything from this trio of twonks and it was a largely frustrating game both on and off the field. As for new players. I quite like the look of Romone Rose. Quite pacy, quite strong in possession and he will improve his general awareness playing more competitive football. Although I have a feeling he might've picked up an injury has he was helped off the pitch with an icebag strapped to his ankle. Hemmings too, although he gave the ball away too many times in dangerous areas, showed what he could do be using his pace to get to a ball he had little right to win and then whipped in a marvellous cross which almost resulted a goal for Kee (described by Mr Knobhead as a f**king useless d**khead). Joe Oastler looks like a good aquisition. I hope we keep him for longer. I thought the biggest plus point of the day was the return of some sort of defensive solidity and I thought Scott Bevan was very good today. We deserved the point. Thank you Mr Julian. Thank christ we had hail instead of rain. If it had rained as hard as it hailed we would've been completely drenched! Anyway a few photos.    Royal Troon   An exposed position for the guy on the PA!    Eunan with a first half header....  But Julian makes a save and the ball gets cleared.  Storm clouds gather   |
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Post by simonb on Oct 24, 2010 8:19:18 GMT
Wasn't the greatest of games but at least we got a point - not bad given we are in a period of transition - give the new recruits a little time to get on the pace and things will improve no doubt.
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Post by keyberrygull on Oct 24, 2010 8:36:15 GMT
Having set out his stall, the radio commentary team seemed to think that the referee should have sent Kee off (second yellow) not award the Gulls a free-kick. It sounded like the man in the middle had got himself in a real pickle at the end dealing with frustrated players or maybe he was right? Can anybody who was there help me out. Just seen the Drogba Mansell incident for the first time. Its just a shame yellow cards cannot be rescinded.
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Post by chrish on Oct 24, 2010 8:42:49 GMT
Having set out his stall, the radio commentary team seemed to think that the referee should have sent Kee off (second yellow) not award the Gulls a free-kick. It sounded like the man in the middle had got himself in a real pickle at the end dealing with frustrated players or maybe he was right? Can anybody who was there help me out. Just seen the Drogba Mansell incident for the first time. Its just a shame yellow cards cannot be rescinded. I stayed up to see the brief highlights on The Football League show last night. I'm trying to work out how a) he dished out a second yellow to Mansell and b) how Julian managed to left that free kick in? |
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Post by keyberrygull on Oct 24, 2010 9:02:52 GMT
Having set out his stall, the radio commentary team seemed to think that the referee should have sent Kee off (second yellow) not award the Gulls a free-kick. It sounded like the man in the middle had got himself in a real pickle at the end dealing with frustrated players or maybe he was right? Can anybody who was there help me out. Just seen the Drogba Mansell incident for the first time. Its just a shame yellow cards cannot be rescinded. I stayed up to see the brief highlights on The Football League show last night. I'm trying to work out how a) he dished out a second yellow to Mansell and b) how Julian managed to left that free kick in? It must have been torturous viewing from the away end trying to work out if the ball had crossed the line or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2010 9:24:54 GMT
I got the High Speed train down from St Pancreas and there were two Torquay fans in my carriage talking absolute shite being egged on by a girl who laughed like a sarcastic sheep. High Speed until Ebbsfleet and then it turns into a little branch line passing through limestone quarry or two, someone's back garden and then emerges from the tunnel at Strood which looks like the graveyard of all ambition. Well, it wasn’t me “talking absolute shite” on the high-speed train because I’d taken the even more tortuous route down from Waterloo East via Lewisham and Dartford. A journey from home to Gillingham (Kent) that, for the aficionado of transport trivia, had earlier included a stop at Gillingham (Dorset). And, seeking the graveyard of all ambition, I hopped off at Strood to renew my acquaintance with Watling Street having already slept by its' side this week in Wellington (Salop). Then it was over the Medway bridge and a reminder of Softly, Softly Taskforce and the days when Watt and Barlow had decamped from Z Cars to clean up crime “down South”. As a kid who enjoyed working out TV locations I remember it took me a few episodes to suss that this place called “Thamesford” was actually the Medway towns, a pretty much unknown quantity to me in those days. Indeed, I would imagine it’s part of the country that remains off the radar to many. Were it not for football I doubt I would ever have visited the Medway towns, aside from a trip to the (now long-gone) Chatham dockyard when I was doing a training course in North Kent thirty-odd years ago. But linger for a few hours and there’s plenty of see, chiefly around the (former) city of Rochester. Something of a cock-up over the loss of Rochester’s city status indicated by posters in a few shop windows, including those of Baggins Book Bazaar (which – along with several other pretenders – claims to be England’s largest secondhand bookshop. Expect to pay collectors’ prices rather than browsers’ prices should you visit). Then it was through the centre of Chatham – largely forgettable like yesterday’s game – and up the steep hill in the direction of Gillingham. No time, on this visit anyway, for an exploration of the old fortified Chatham Lines but straight into the rows of suburban terraced housing which make up so much of the Medway towns. Probably not the northerner’s stereotyped view of the soft south but fascinating nonetheless and in keeping with a “docktown” feel that the area shares with both Plymouth and Portsmouth (and, even, in places with parts of Bristol). Nor is there much “newness” about the surroundings for, along the entire route from Strood to Gillingham, I passed very few dwellings which would have been less than a hundred years old. A sign, taking Merse’s theme, that Gillingham FC (once New Brompton) would have been born into a solid working-class community. In fact, given the population of Medway, there’s almost a case of saying that Gillingham have under-performed over the years. Or, without knowing too much about the culture and mindset of the area, is there a lack of civic identity (fragmented into several towns) that mitigates against this? I really don’t know. To the ground and a seat in the grandly-named Brian Moore Stand, hardly a fitting tribute to the old commentator and enthusiast. Reference too in the programme to the splendidly-named Gillingham fanzine: Brian Moore’s Head Looks Uncannily Like the London Planetarium. |
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Post by aussie on Oct 24, 2010 9:50:16 GMT
Well it would appear that the general level of officials in league two is pretty dire, there I was thinking that they only perform poorly at our place! So much for my Kerswell bypass theory!
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Post by chrish on Oct 24, 2010 9:53:10 GMT
Well it would appear that the general level of officials in league two is pretty dire, there I was thinking that they only perform poorly at our place! So much for my Kerswell bypass theory! Come to next away match Aussie and bring your fork. |
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Post by merse on Oct 24, 2010 10:04:09 GMT
Having set out his stall, the radio commentary team seemed to think that the referee should have sent Kee off (second yellow) not award the Gulls a free-kick. It sounded like the man in the middle had got himself in a real pickle at the end dealing with frustrated players or maybe he was right? Can anybody who was there help me out.  As far as consistency of interpretation goes, by his application in Mansell's case; then yes, Kee should have gone too but the idiot interpreted this one as a foul! Juilian's problem? Too many players in the way of his sight line, what's the point of a wall so wide you can only stand out of sight of the ball being struck? I suppose Gillingham expected it to be knocked sideways rather than straight through their "wall" which appeared to of the Dry Stone variety i.e.with holes in it!  You mention the difficulty of viewing from where the away fans were forced to sit ~ well why not use a bit of common sense and go into another part of the ground then as I did? It's not rocket science is it and don't tell me that would have precluded them "supporting" the team. Even from the main stand they were never heard until the last minutes after Mansell walked................maybe the wind blew the "constant chants" out of the ground down to the Medway  That referee didn't appear to talk to any of the players unless he was booking them, yet the lino on our side never stopped firing a stream of inane rubbish to the players as the game was in progress verbaly assisting them "not to foul". Excuse me are match officials now allowed to influence the game in the same way that coaches and managers have been discouraged from doing unless in the technical area? It was of no advantage to either side, it was just ludicrous and to compound matters, when it all kicked off towards the end of the ninety minutes he started getting simple decisions like who's throw it was the wrong way round as if he had forgotten who was playing which way and I was dreading an offside call to come up for our defence ~ fortunately the ref saw fit to over rule him a couple of times and there were no offside calls. Maybe it was him and his buffoonary that spooked the ref in the last fifteen mniutes. Interestingly though, our equaliser came from our own left back corner where Gills made a mess of not keeping possession with less than a minute to go. They looked a poorly coached and organised side and I have been told that the chairman has been interfering by messing with their mind set saying he demanded that they should be top of the league. Top of the league with Hessenthaller and Hendon in charge? give me strength, they looked like a team of automatons making peel off runs and hitting balls into "areas" as if by numbers. Nobody thinking for themselves and too many players who didn't have the basic skill to hold total control of the ball on that awful playing surface. I wouldn't go so far as to say Gills won't get a play off place, but they are a pace challenged defence in front of a dodgy goalkeeper. We know Julian from old (at Stevenage) and he ain't very good is he. Mind you for such a big fella, Bevan's not good at commanding his area either. Give him the six yard box and a chance to grab the ball over someone's head without jumping for it and fine; but he does NOT command the rest of his area nor his back four. The way to hit our defence is to break hard and fast down the flank and then hit a first time ball into the area between Ellis and Branston and Bevan ~ tha area of maximum damage potential ~ Nicho's too slow on the turn to cope with that and Robbo is such a tall guy he is susceptible to being run at under good control of the ball. But hey, this is League 2 football; not the Premiership and such weaknesses exist in most sides at this level. We're not exceptional, and we're not poor either. We have a lot of young potential in the squad at the moment and that is nice to see, given the restrictive nature of the available budget for the manager; and I thnk he's doing a good job getting in people like Rose and Oastler early to have a good look at them (and them at us) before they come up for grabs in January. Hemmings is a different kettle of fish and no way would Wolves be looking at letting him go, although a loan to the end of the season might be on the table. My first look at Kee left me unimpressed, but it's difficult coming on as he did and getting the considerable pace of the game as it was at that time. Considering that Oastler has barely arrived, Rose was playing his first game after a week's training and Hemmings only met up with the squad at training in Harlington yesterday; I think the trio of loanees did OK I hope the "instant judges" give these boys (and they ARE boys!) a decent break at Plainmoor when they play down there unlike the way they treated LRT last season, and unlike the way Mr Larcombe tends to instantly dismiss such youngsters as "showing little".Don't expect promotion from OUR club just now, it's neither developed on the field for it, nor equipped for it off the field yet. Everything needs to be patiently built so that there is some substance to it, not on the wing and a prayer fashion of Bateson and Rosenior ,with a talented squad but no earthly plan for the future at a higher grade resulting in instant damaging relegation again. That would be disastrous given the difficulties the club has winning the confidence of a realistic number of people in Torbay to come and support their efforts. |
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Post by aussie on Oct 24, 2010 10:31:59 GMT
Well it would appear that the general level of officials in league two is pretty dire, there I was thinking that they only perform poorly at our place! So much for my Kerswell bypass theory! Come to next away match Aussie and bring your fork. Do you think they`d let me tend to their turf? Or is the fork for the Ref? |
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Post by chrish on Oct 24, 2010 10:53:37 GMT
Come to next away match Aussie and bring your fork. Do you think they`d let me tend to their turf? Or is the fork for the Ref? What you do with the ref in your own spare time is your choice!  |
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Post by longeatongull on Oct 24, 2010 11:06:50 GMT
Kee 3/10 (somone please remind me the last time this player actually did anything!) Great report Seventyseven and cant really disagree with much---however I realise Kee promises a lot more but I "think" it was he who was fouled for the free kick....so he did do something (apologies if I got the wrong guy!!). My only thought and it did play on my mind on the way home....................why do OUR fans leave with 5 mins to go?  ?? The ground or supporters werent intimidating, the crowd wasnt that huge that an hour would be spent queing to get away, why why why?? You missed one of those "few TUFC moments", whcih surely is why we follow OUR team. I know it happens at every ground but with only one goal in it do you do it (sorry rant over!!). Still smiling.....now for the FA Cup draw........................... |
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Post by merse on Oct 24, 2010 11:16:18 GMT
why do OUR fans leave with 5 mins to go??? The ground or supporters werent intimidating, the crowd wasnt that huge that an hour would be spent queing to get away, why why why?? I just lurve it when that happens. Serves any nob head right. Anyone who annoys me by doing that needs to get absolutley what they deserve. Same as those who have to go to the bar at half time or fill their snout with "free" food in hospitality and then miss a goal at the start of the second half..................love it, love it, love it! Five hundred mile round trip to miss the only goal we scored? ................and if you live any closer then you're even sillier!  |
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Post by stoner81 on Oct 24, 2010 13:22:09 GMT
Kee 3/10 (somone please remind me the last time this player actually did anything!) Some of us might say the same about Benyon..... Don't get me wrong, he works hard and tries his best, but he is a limited footballer in my view. If he was quicker it might be different, but that will never change. Merse alluded to how ineffectual he was yesterday. Why Buckle persists with him as a lone striker, only he knows. I've always thought Benyon is a bit of a liability when he isn't scoring goals. He lacks pace and awareness and his hold up play is erratic at best. I actually thought Kee had his best game so far against Bury and has started to look sharper recently. Changing things up front and starting Zebs with one of either Rose, Gritts or Kee next week wouldn't go amiss. |
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Post by chrish on Oct 24, 2010 13:42:02 GMT
Kee 3/10 (somone please remind me the last time this player actually did anything!) Some of us might say the same about Benyon..... Don't get me wrong, he works hard and tries his best, but he is a limited footballer in my view. If he was quicker it might be different, but that will never change. Merse alluded to how ineffectual he was yesterday. Why Buckle persists with him as a lone striker, only he knows. I've always thought Benyon is a bit of a liability when he isn't scoring goals. He lacks pace and awareness and his hold up play is erratic at best. I actually thought Kee had his best game so far against Bury and has started to look sharper recently. Changing things up front and starting Zebs with one of either Rose, Gritts or Kee next week wouldn't go amiss. I guess PB is picking him for nuisance value more than anything. A lower league version of Paul Dickov. But I thought he had his most ineffectual game for a while yesterday but some of the balls into him were too high and too slow. |
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?? The ground or supporters werent intimidating, the crowd wasnt that huge that an hour would be spent queing to get away, why why why?? You missed one of those "few TUFC moments", whcih surely is why we follow OUR team. I know it happens at every ground but with only one goal in it do you do it (sorry rant over!!).