chelstongull
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Post by chelstongull on Sept 29, 2010 10:46:54 GMT
I thought that Branston had probably his poorest game in a yellow shirt (or white, black for that matter). He (IMO) wasn't his dependable best and was prone to a few slips and tonight his lack of pace was exposed. I would still see his name down on the team sheet (perhaps he misses Ellis?). Some people love to jump on my back when I state that they need to know ALL of the FACTS before passing opinion that can be treated as having any gravitas, but it really is so. there are all sorts of hidden factors that go towards making it a good day or a bad one and we can only see what is on view to the public. But that's what they are Merse, opinions. If if thought that Branston had a poor game, then that's what it is - I'm not going to know whether he trapped one of his gonads in the car door which may have accounted for his form last night or are you saying that in order for posts to have gravitas we have to be aware of other factors such as whether he is carrying an injury. I think as long as an opinion is expressed as an opinion then I'm happy (well as happy as I can be) - it's when is followed by personal attacks or when someone labours the point or "Does a Wring" then it loses poster credibility. Some previous poster thought that Branston played well, I didn't, but thats life. My only point about tactics last night would be, why play Benyon as a the lone striker for periods against big players (thought Charles played very well for the Shots last night and seemed to win everything in the air) and why bring Billy the Fish on in the 89th minute. Performance marks (based on 5 being average): Bevan 7 Nico 6 Branston 4 Charnock 6 Robbo 6 Stevens 5 Lathrope - Mansell 7 O'Kane 7.5 Benyon 6 - Prone to a touch of the Connells Zebs 7 Gritts 6 Carlisle 6 Kee - Not on long enough to mark |
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Post by aussie on Sept 29, 2010 11:17:35 GMT
I tried to suggest that two left footers in the middle of defence wouldn`t work work in the Maccy thread but oh well never mind, some believed it would work, proof was in the pudding! Marks back for the Shrews game so hopefully we can keep a clean sheet and work on how to score goals again! I am absolutely gob smacked at what Meerkat wrote about P.B. getting something right, good report as well even though I dissagree with some of it, Eunan is going to go far in this game and is far from light wieght, having said that lately Wroe has been light wieght all season and didn`t look very happy about being dropped last night! All players go through cold spells when their not playing well for what ever reason and quite often a rest is required of them to freshen up, I`m sure he`ll come good again. The Ref was, well `a muppet` I`m afraid, it keeps happening at home and the only common denominator seems to be Kingskerswell`s lack of a bypass! If we played in Newton we would get better Reffing I recon! As soon as anyone coming here hits Penn Inn they nudge along slowly down the road and end up so pissed off and frustrated by the time they hit Torquay, it`s understandable to a degree that they then start to want to take it out on some one and that is usually us for having such an awkward place to get to, it was suggested last night that we helicopter the officials in so as not to have them upset by the journey!  They apparently go through the whole game just thinking about how much of a pain it`s going to be getting home again and just how long it will take, so no free kicks for us if they can help it and every bit of assistance for the away team! This said with tongue firmly in cheek!  |
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Post by alunmeerkat on Sept 29, 2010 11:49:13 GMT
O'Kane's skill is not in doubt but he was poor last night. He played several passes which put us straight into trouble.
He just isn't imposing enough to play in a two man central midfield position. He cannot tackle and seemed to have trouble keeping up with the game.
First time I have seen Lathrope (albeit briefly). He is also small and slightly built but in comparison to O'Kane actually looked like a midfield player as he seemed combative and was not afraid to get stuck in.
It wasn't the worst we have ever played last night by a long chalk but to me we did not look as though we were ever going to score. Unfortunately in the last 20 minutes there only looked like one winner and it wasn't us.
I am not so sure that Branston's inabilty to cope with a quick forward is down to him playing alongside another left footer.
That said it is clear we missed Ellis big time last night. Whoever brings out the best in the other the Branston Ellis partnership has been rock solid and will no doubt be resumed on Saturday.
I would certainly give Gritton a start on Saturday, restore Wroe in midfield and play Zebs and Carlisle wide.
That is our most solid team and in my opinion should mean that we can grind out some results.
I think quite a few of us suspected that if we deviated much from our first 11 the problems might start and this seems to have been the case.
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Post by aussie on Sept 29, 2010 12:04:30 GMT
O'Kane's skill is not in doubt but he was poor last night. He played several passes which put us straight into trouble. He just isn't imposing enough to play in a two man central midfield position. He cannot tackle and seemed to have trouble keeping up with the game. Are we talking about the same bloke here because I thought O`kane was a fantastic tackler, he`s not afraid to go in to any challenge and cruches with the best of them, or do you just purely base this conclusion on his size? He isn`t bothered about getting injured he chucks himself at everything! May I suggest Specsavers Sir! |
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Post by loyalgull on Sept 29, 2010 12:54:52 GMT
i actually thought okane played well last night,one that definitely didnt trap his love spuds in the car door chelstongull
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Post by alunmeerkat on Sept 29, 2010 14:51:35 GMT
I actually went to the game with someone who knows a fair bit about football. He had not seen O'Kane play before but was scathing about his contribution last night. As I said I am not dismissing him at all - he nearly scored a cracker at the end so I suppose how you are viewing the match.
Maybe we were looking at his ability to play one of the central midfield roles in a 4-4-2 and as I said I don't think he is effective in that postion at all. Of course he didn't start the match in that position asnd seemed to be playing in front of Lathorpe and Mansell and behind Benyon - a position which probably would have suited him alot better.
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Post by stefano on Sept 29, 2010 15:15:14 GMT
I actually went to the game with someone who knows a fair bit about football...... I always do .... although I normally go alone |
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Post by merse on Sept 29, 2010 16:33:35 GMT
Maybe we were looking at his ability to play one of the central midfield roles in a 4-4-2 and as I said I don't think he is effective in that postion at all. Of course he didn't start the match in that position asnd seemed to be playing in front of Lathorpe and Mansell and behind Benyon - a position which probably would have suited him alot better.  That "role in the hole" is where he played at Stevenage when I saw him and I would agree that on what I saw there, he is a little lacking physically to play one of the two midfield roles that you describe at this stage of his development. |
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Post by lambethgull on Sept 29, 2010 16:45:04 GMT
Maybe we were looking at his ability to play one of the central midfield roles in a 4-4-2 and as I said I don't think he is effective in that postion at all. Of course he didn't start the match in that position asnd seemed to be playing in front of Lathorpe and Mansell and behind Benyon - a position which probably would have suited him alot better. I agree with this as well. I was impressed with him at Port Vale but thought he was generally ineffective at Stevenage. He's a young player who I'm sure will improve, but he lacks tackling ability, isn't very fast and lacks an end product. For those reasons he doesn't make an effective central midfielder, winger or striker. His vision and touch is without dispute, but you need a bit more than that and I feel he's a bit of a luxury at the moment when what we really need is an effective partner for Benyon. |
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Post by chrish on Sept 29, 2010 16:57:44 GMT
I need to have a lie down. The day after we've lost a match and everyone seems to be agreeing with each other.  |
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Sept 29, 2010 18:25:16 GMT
Having Nicky Wroe as our "midfield fulcrum" is no laughing matter! I don't think that O'Kane gave the ball away any more than than Wroe does, although the difference is that O'Kane chases-back to cover. O'Kane demonstrates more going forward and has better close-control, has better awareness of space, better positioning.
Wroe plays like he has been going through the motions for some time. I think his limitations as a player were highlighted against Accrington - players like Jimmy Ryan ticked all the boxes and it showed in their performance.
Bucks has got to make the best of what he has got - especially as it seems that the playing budget has been cut so I hope that he can get the best out of all the players - I think on the balance he has done this well beyond what I would reasonably expect.
He's got a bloody tough job and it has clearly been made much harder with the news on finances that seems to be coming at the end of the week. I hope it is made easier by a senior pro like Wroe getting a grip and putting in some performances worthy of a captain.
I don't see dropping Wroe as anything to suggest that there has been a fall-out, just that on current form he doesn't deserve to be selected. He'll have to show the hunger in training to get him back in the line-up at Shrewsbury.
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Post by Budleigh on Sept 29, 2010 20:37:28 GMT
So rumour has it!! (Are we allowed to use the word rumour?)
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Sept 30, 2010 14:03:43 GMT
My thoughts on O'Kane from Tuesday? He played better than I thought he would in CM. Despite his size, he got some good hard tackles in, just as Aussie said. His use of the ball however was very NW of late (ie telegraphing the pass so it got intercepted). He did seem to have more up and down the pitch about him though. Possibly if Manse hadnt put in such a towering performance we would have looked overrun in midfield. I would have no qualms about starting him alongside Manse on saturday, the more games he starts at this level, the quicker he will improve, particularly if we go with Wayno and Zebs on the wings.
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Post by Dave on Sept 30, 2010 16:18:20 GMT
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They apparently go through the whole game just thinking about how much of a pain it`s going to be getting home again and just how long it will take, so no free kicks for us if they can help it and every bit of assistance for the away team! This said with tongue firmly in cheek! 
