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Post by aussie on Aug 29, 2010 17:01:03 GMT
at Lords? Match fixing at it`s worst! Correct me if I`m wrong but haven`t the Pakistani team been in trouble for corruption before? It`s ruining a great performance from the likes of Stuart Broad and one or two others, I`d like to remember this game for his sterling innings, not for some cheating match fixer!
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 29, 2010 17:14:27 GMT
I really don't know and it is a sad day for that sport. Unfortunately half of Pakistan has gone to hell and I don't know if this was a factor in raising some quick funds. On a brighter note the Ashes down under is not too far off now and I am looking forward to some good old fashioned honest sledging.
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Post by aussie on Aug 29, 2010 17:30:34 GMT
I really don't know and it is a sad day for that sport. Unfortunately half of Pakistan has gone to hell and I don't know if this was a factor in raising some quick funds. On a brighter note the Ashes down under is not too far off now and I am looking forward to some good old fashioned honest sledging. Phew, I saw your red name on my thread and thought I was in trouble again, I`m a bit hesitant in starting threads now, Dave says to not post immediately I think of one and wait a while and give my idea some thought before posting but if I do that by the time I`ve posted the topic is then old! I can`t see it as raising flood relief money as it is only hundreds of thousands and wouldn`t even begin to scratch the surface of what they need, I feel it`s just some greedy corrupt git milkin it for all he can and got caught out( deliberate pun )! We need to start a thread for the Ashes soon so the sledging can begin, but not quite yet, lets get a bit closer to the time and then go for it, gently!
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Post by Rags on Aug 29, 2010 17:31:57 GMT
at Lords? Match fixing at it`s worst! Correct me if I`m wrong but haven`t the Pakistani team been in trouble for corruption before? It`s ruining a great performance from the likes of Stuart Broad and one or two others, I`d like to remember this game for his sterling innings, not for some cheating match fixer! Amazing, isn't it? Or not as they hav history as you point out. As far as I am aware, they are only talking about three no balls that were committed at certain pre-arranged points, so not so much match-fixing as working for betting syndicates. But I think that what you imply is correct in that the whole experience ruins the performances of Trott, Broad, Swann et al and can only suggest that there is more serious fixing going on elsewhere in the side. The spotlight of guilt must fall on others in the team who's actions are simply so far away from what is expected that corruption must be the cause of it. KP's awful stroke for a GD for example! ;D
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Post by Rags on Aug 29, 2010 17:36:24 GMT
Phew, I saw your red name on my thread and thought I was in trouble again, I`m a bit hesitant in starting threads now, Dave says to not post immediately I think of one and wait a while and give my idea some thought before posting but if I do that by the time I`ve posted the topic is then old! Personally speaking, Aussie, I preferred it when you said what you thought, when you thought it. Sitting around and thinking about it can dilute the emotion, although there's nothing stopping you from adding to existing threads, is there? Shoot from the hip, I say! ;D PS Not looking forward to The Ashes as I think we'll be pants with our current batting...
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 29, 2010 18:32:40 GMT
I really don't know and it is a sad day for that sport. Unfortunately half of Pakistan has gone to hell and I don't know if this was a factor in raising some quick funds. On a brighter note the Ashes down under is not too far off now and I am looking forward to some good old fashioned honest sledging. Phew, I saw your red name on my thread and thought I was in trouble again, I`m a bit hesitant in starting threads now, Dave says to not post immediately I think of one and wait a while and give my idea some thought before posting but if I do that by the time I`ve posted the topic is then old! I can`t see it as raising flood relief money as it is only hundreds of thousands and wouldn`t even begin to scratch the surface of what they need, I feel it`s just some greedy corrupt git milkin it for all he can and got caught out( deliberate pun )! We need to start a thread for the Ashes soon so the sledging can begin, but not quite yet, lets get a bit closer to the time and then go for it, gently! I must admit that when I saw the title, I thought, Please God, not another religious threat. ;D I was thinking more along the lines, if you had a brother, his house, livestock and every possession was washed away, his family, including young children are now reliant on aid..... Would you be tempted?
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Post by loyalgull on Aug 29, 2010 19:27:06 GMT
Phew, I saw your red name on my thread and thought I was in trouble again, I`m a bit hesitant in starting threads now, Dave says to not post immediately I think of one and wait a while and give my idea some thought before posting but if I do that by the time I`ve posted the topic is then old! I can`t see it as raising flood relief money as it is only hundreds of thousands and wouldn`t even begin to scratch the surface of what they need, I feel it`s just some greedy corrupt git milkin it for all he can and got caught out( deliberate pun )! We need to start a thread for the Ashes soon so the sledging can begin, but not quite yet, lets get a bit closer to the time and then go for it, gently! I must admit that when I saw the title, I thought, Please God, not another religious threat. ;D I was thinking more along the lines, if you had a brother, his house, livestock and every possession was washed away, his family, including young children are now reliant on aid..... Would you be tempted? i know what you mean,but these guys make a brilliant living out of cricket,are world famous,surely they have enough famous freinds to do charity events to raise funds,it doesnt wash with me.I dont like the bloody sport as it happens,but many do i know,this is probably the most interesting headline the sport has ever had in my opinion,although its sad this has happened.I am also not naive enough to believe football is totally corruption free either,snooker has had a taste as well,next it will be darts
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Post by jmgull on Aug 29, 2010 22:01:56 GMT
About time they were booted out of international cricket for a decent length of time. Its been the worst kept secret in the game for a long time.........corruption is rife from the top to bottom in Pakistani cricket.
Won't hold my breath that the powers that be have the balls to do it though........and it's the reason that the BEST game in the world will sadly go the way of football etc.
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Post by merse on Aug 29, 2010 22:50:22 GMT
Its been the worst kept secret in the game for a long time.........corruption is rife from the top to bottom in Pakistani cricket. Can't see how it's been some sort of "secret" any more than I've got a whole in my arse or that my great great grandmother has passed away. Cricket's not the only sport susceptible to corrupt practice and the REAL culprit is the ridiculous legalisation of betting practices that stand to benefit so hugely from it. i.e. spread betting. Stop that and you take away much of the oxygen for the beast of corruption. I heard comment during the Edgbaston Test that there was hardly a Pakistani supporter there who even bothered to go along and watch their national team.................in a city with such a huge Pakistani community as Birmingham that says it all about the integrity of those cheating bastards destroying a game that is a religion in their country and amongst the diaspora of Pakistanis around the world ~ shame on them!
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Post by stuartB on Aug 29, 2010 22:54:27 GMT
Its been the worst kept secret in the game for a long time.........corruption is rife from the top to bottom in Pakistani cricket. Can't see how it's been some sort of "secret" any more than I've got a whole in my arse or that my great great grandmother has passed away. Cricket's not the only sport susceptible to corrupt practice and the REAL culprit is the ridiculous legalisation of betting practices that stand to benefit so hugely from it. i.e. spread betting. Stop that and you take away much of the oxygen for the beast of corruption. I heard comment during the Edgbaston Test that there was hardly a Pakistani supporter there who even bothered to go along and watch their national team.................in a city with such a huge Pakistani community as Birmingham that says it all about the integrity of those cheating bastards destroying a game that is a religion in their country and amongst the diaspora of Pakistanis around the world ~ shame on them! so sorry to hear you great great grannie has passed away not happy with the cheating but let he without sin cast the first stone. We are not perfect are we Michael Atherton. where there is money involved there is corrruption.
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Post by merse on Aug 29, 2010 23:02:04 GMT
where there is money involved there is corrruption. But you see that's just the sort of unfair generalisation and cynicism that all the true and good professionals just do not deserve. Think how gut wrenching it is for someone (in any sport) who has achieved something truly great to have people thinking to themselves "I wonder.................?"Does the particularly more corrupt Pakistani game reflect that they have a particularly more corrupt society is probably a more specific point we should be addressing and also, why the hell is this country providing a "home" for their national side to play in because they can't keep their own society in order when they turn around and behave like this yet again?
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Post by stuartB on Aug 29, 2010 23:08:57 GMT
Be careful here Merse or you will be accused of being racist when I know that is far from the truth.
The Pakistani nation is not corrupt because a few decide to be dodgy.
There are far too many opportunites to bet on this and that, whereas in the past it was on the result. today you can bet on the time of the first throw in or when the keeper first pick his nose. This will lead to too many opportunites to hide the bent player who has taken a bribe to do something.
stop the betting options and perhaps the game won't be influenced.
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Post by merse on Aug 30, 2010 7:48:46 GMT
Be careful here Merse or you will be accused of being racist when I know that is far from the truth. The Pakistani nation is not corrupt because a few decide to be dodgy. Well that would be incorrect as I suggested whether we should consider whether the conduct of their cricketers reflected the very real and widespread problem of corruption within their own country. Are you aware that virtually every election held in that country since the initial ones of 1953 which were described at the time as "a farce, mockery and fraud upon the electorate"; the losers have accused the winners of cheating and rigging the elections. The current President, Asif Ali Zardari; has been widely referrred to as "Mr Ten Per Cent" from the rake offs his wife Benazir Bhutto demanded for him whilst she herself was president in the 1990s ~ any contract that was awarded by her governmnet was under suspicion of integrating a hefty back hand clause for the family. At the end of last year an amnesty that gave protection against corruption investigations to over 8,000 Pakistani politicians was lifted in the greater interest of suspician that this widespread corruption was fuelling feelings of resentment within the population and hence providing a more ambivalent attitude towards The Taliban. That is what I was referring to when I mentioned a very real and widespread problem within Pakistan.
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Post by aussie on Aug 30, 2010 8:41:22 GMT
Can we please steer away from politics, I know points need to be made but this was intended to be about cricket and or sport!
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Post by merse on Aug 30, 2010 10:11:21 GMT
Can we please steer away from politics, I know points need to be made but this was intended to be about cricket and or sport! Some people have the ability to see beyond the first fence. Aussie are you seriously suggesting that when you bring up corruption within cricket and or sport that is the only field which it pollutes? If you want a "blinkers on" debate, fine; but you'll then exclude one of the underlying reasons why one particular nation's cricketers appear to be more corrupt than others. There was an underlying reason why South Africa's cricketers couldn't welcome an England cricketer ( Basil D'Oliviera) to their country and why that brought worldwide condemnation and very soon global ostracism..................it was the politics of Aparthied ~ you cannot have a sensible debate and separate sport from it I'm afraid.
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