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Post by capitalgull on Jun 8, 2010 15:51:17 GMT
Merse is right this time, the game on Sunday was played outside of FIFA's jurisdiction, as Septic Bladder was quick to point out. Strangely the game on Monday between England and the Platinum Stars was under FIFA control and, had Wayne Rooney been sent off, he would have been banned for the World Cup opening game with the USA!
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Post by stefano on Jun 8, 2010 15:57:55 GMT
I see Portugal's Manchester United player Nani is the latest to be ruled out of the World Cup through injury, that takes it to seven Man Utd & Chelsea stars out through injuries for their various countries!
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Post by stefano on Jun 8, 2010 16:01:53 GMT
Merse is right this time, the game on Sunday was played outside of FIFA's jurisdiction...... "This time" is a bit harsh Capital! He is often right or at least has a strong view on issues where there is no right or wrong
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Post by capitalgull on Jun 8, 2010 16:10:15 GMT
I've got to put 'this time' in because of his previous insistence to me that Akinfenwa would never score more than 10 goals for the Gulls - in fact he still owes me an 'eaten hat' over that insistence...
Come on Merse, me old mucker, get that trilby down yer gullet!
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Post by Dave on Jun 8, 2010 18:05:03 GMT
Then you have the good old "Sun Reader" who's inability to look beyond a headline and a photograph is legendary, who's attention span lasts all of thirty seconds and would rather look at a pair of tits than any serious news. Just as I knew so very little about Cromwell and his men that destroyed all the great castles I love going to see, I have never understood what has gone on over the years in South Africa and it is something I’m going to have to learn about and try an understand as best as my education will allow. All I do know is that I hope everything goes off without any real problems and South Africa will stage a world cup they will be proud of for many years to come. I do have to take issue with Merse however with the part of his post I have quoted above, this time last year I was very upset with him as he wanted to call me a bigot just because I was unhappy that travellers had moved into our local play field a few hundred yards away. I was also unhappy that merse so often likes to just stick labels on people and put them in boxes he feels they belong him, something I feel is very wrong to do. My Carol is in no way political in any way shape or form, she is a very intelligent and bright lady who does have a very long attention span and she is not interested in looking at a pair of tits, she just wishes she had a pair herself as she had once before. She buys the Sun newspaper everyday as she simply enjoys reading it and would not have a clue if the paper supported one political party or another, I showed her the part I have quoted and she rightly feels it is rather insulting and unfair on anyone who buys the paper as she does simply because it’s a paper she enjoys reading. Is it really necessary to start putting labels on people just because of the newspaper they read? Its no better than those who state all football fans are just thugs and lowlife lower class people, we know that is not the case and its wrong to class all football fans that way, just as bad in fact of what you seem to like to do merse
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2010 20:29:44 GMT
Just as I knew so very little about Cromwell and his men that destroyed all the great castles I love going to see, I have never understood what has gone on over the years in South Africa and it is something I’m going to have to learn about and try an understand as best as my education will allow. Well, Dave, I dare say a crash course is available! A good starting point is to understand that the whites had power - and used it in a largely ugly fashion - even though they only constituted around 15% of the population. And, within the white population, there was roughly a 60:40 split in favour of those who spoke Afrikaans (a bit like Dutch) rather than English. And, generally speaking - with varying levels of support and opposition from the English speakers - it was this group which held sway. Then, from the late 1940s onwards, people were classified as "white", "Indian/Asian", "coloured" and "black" with certain groups (guess which?) having rather more in the way of rights, freedoms and wealth than others. A sign of those times:
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Post by merse on Jun 8, 2010 21:20:46 GMT
Just as I knew so very little about Cromwell and his men that destroyed all the great castles I love going to see, I have never understood what has gone on over the years in South Africa and it is something I’m going to have to learn about and try an understand as best as my education will allow. Well, Dave, I dare say a crash course is available! A good starting point is to understand that the whites had power - and used it in a largely ugly fashion - even though they only constituted around 15% of the population. .....................and to that I would also urge you to take on board the following: * There was no universal suffrage in the country until 1994 * In 1960 the National Referendum that took the unilateral decision to become a republic and cease to be a Dominion of Great Britain only took the opinions of the white citizens and at a stroke the minimal non white suffrage was removed. * Before then, the only non whites permitted to vote were a highly selective group of black and coloured men (as decreed by the apartheid regime) in the Cape Province only and absolutely no non white women whatsoever. The National Party's imposition of apartheid resulted in the forcible re-locating of non whites to live in decreed areas, and even forbade citizens of different ethnic groups to marry or have children together. They were forced to use separate public transport, separate parks and separate beaches. Many thousands had to endure long and arduous journies to and from work as they were forbidden to live in or near the areas in which they worked..................some even used to have to leave home for months at a time such were the distances they were forced to live from their places of employment. A largely ugly regime indeed!
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Post by merse on Jun 8, 2010 22:47:14 GMT
Here's a bit more of the evil that apartheid spread: Population: 19 million black/coloured. 4.5 million white Land allocation: 13 per cent black. 87 per cent white Share of national income: 20 per cent black. 80 per cent white Ratio of average earnings: 1: black. 14: white Minimum taxable income: 360 Rands black. 750 Rands white Ratio of doctors to population: 1/44,000 black. 1/ 400 white Infant mortality rate:20 per cent urban black, 40 per rural black. 2.7 per cent white. Annual expenditure per pupil: $45 black. $696 white Teacher/pupil ratio: 1/60 black. 1/22 white Figures of Disproportionate Treatment of South African Citizens c1978
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Post by ospelgull on Jun 9, 2010 6:46:26 GMT
I believe Holland are the best team in the World Cup, but ever since I read David Winner's Brilliant Orange a few years ago I've always expected them to self-destruct at major tournament, and they have usually obliged. In the same way that Spain's European triumph overcame their national belief in tournament failure, so a Dutch win in South Africa will destroy the belief that the perfect win is the only one that counts. Self-destruction hasn't happened since 1996. In 1998 we were beaten by a lucky Brazil and I believe that the Dutch were the best team that tournament. In 2000 we missed too many penalties in one game against Italy, should have reached the final at least. In 2002 we missed out by losing against the Irish. In 2004 we were just not good enough. In 2006 we played well but lost in a crazy game against the Portugese. In 2008 the Dutch cruised through the first round after slaughtering the French and the Italians. We lost (deserved) against Russia who had a very clever coach in Guus Hiddink.
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Post by johannesburggull on Jun 9, 2010 7:10:29 GMT
An update from Jo'burg - 40,000 fans are expected in Sandton to welcome Bafana Bafana (the South African team) to their official world cup base today: a friend is going and I'll try to post some photos tomorrow. I'm off to the Dutch team's training session this morning and will have photos up later. A friend and academic colleague is researching this World Cup and covering it for The Guardian and on twitter - anyone interested can follow Marc Fletcher at (on twitter) marcfletcher1 or on his blog onemanandhisfootball.blogspot.com/As for South African history and contemporary issues - Alistair Spark's writings are accessible and well informed: he was the editor of the iconic Drum magazine during the apartheid period, and remains one of the best political commentators on the country. I'm not going to add to the useful posts made earlier as they cover the basics.
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Post by Rags on Jun 9, 2010 7:17:00 GMT
I believe Holland are the best team in the World Cup, but ever since I read David Winner's Brilliant Orange a few years ago I've always expected them to self-destruct at major tournament, and they have usually obliged. In the same way that Spain's European triumph overcame their national belief in tournament failure, so a Dutch win in South Africa will destroy the belief that the perfect win is the only one that counts. Self-destruction hasn't happened since 1996. In 2000 we missed too many penalties in one game against Italy, should have reached the final at least. You would have to read Brilliant Orange to understand what I meant by "self-destruct", but the five penalties missed in the Euro 2000 semi-finals (in Amsterdam) should go some way towards it. When playing free-flowing football, the Dutch have been the best team in the world for years, arguably since 1974. It's the scrappy defending, the pressing and holding, "parking the bus" that they don't like. And penalties. Holland have been knocked out of Euro 92, 96, 00 and World Cup 98 on penalties. Historically, the Dutch football team have turned their backs on the unglamorous side of football and consequently have failed to turn their undoubted superiority into tournament wins. Or so David Winner tells us. As much as we all believe that England will get knocked out this year in the QF's on penalties, because it has happened too many times before; many believe the Dutch team will be the best in South Africa but fail to win the tournament. Neither is true because football does not follow precedent. But it makes for interesting discussion.
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Post by Rags on Jun 9, 2010 7:20:22 GMT
There's a very interesting article here: www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/jun/09/world-cup-2010-fabio-capello-englandon how Fabio Capello keeps the pressure up on the England players. On one hand it gives a clear message that England will not disappoint this year as they have done so many times before. On the other hand, because he still has to keep reminding the best players in England of their instructions, it does make me feel that England will disappoint this year as they have done so many times before.
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Post by petef on Jun 9, 2010 8:47:49 GMT
There's a very interesting article here: www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/jun/09/world-cup-2010-fabio-capello-englandon how Fabio Capello keeps the pressure up on the England players. On one hand it gives a clear message that England will not disappoint this year as they have done so many times before. On the other hand, because he still has to keep reminding the best players in England of their instructions, it does make me feel that England will disappoint this year as they have done so many times before. An excellent piece and lets just hope the last bit is correct and we play when we have to. Personally I dont think we are clever enough to just "peak at the right time" but who knows. USA will be a tough opener I just hope the players are mentally switched on as so often happens in cup matches the underdog triumps because they want it more and have little to lose. One things for sure if we do fail I wont blame the manager - I just love his no nonsense approach.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2010 16:08:00 GMT
A friend and academic colleague is researching this World Cup and covering it for The Guardian and on twitter - anyone interested can follow Marc Fletcher at (on twitter) marcfletcher1 or on his blog onemanandhisfootball.blogspot.com/ A fine blog complete with thoughts about Tiverton Town....
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Post by Rags on Jun 9, 2010 16:35:38 GMT
I am going to try to keep my language moderate but apologies in advance if I fail to. Why is there so much damn Afro-pessimism on this board? Why do people think that South Africa is already 'in chaos'? ... There are certainly very upsetting and troubling incidents of random violence in the country, but these are limited in number compared to the poor-on-poor violence which is often overlooked in media reports. Ke Nako! There is no clear answer to this. Maybe lazy journalism is at fault. The robbery at gunpoint today of a Portuguese photographer and two Spanish journalists in their hotel room will be reported around the world. It will be used as a stick to beat World Cup Safety with. Most of the reports in the UK will be written from a single AP wire report. None of the newspapers will do any extensive research (unless any of the victims had been British) and their majority of the reports will happily take the "unsafe, violent South Africa" angle. I daresay the vast majority of South Africans will be tearing their hair out at the prejudice shown by foreign reporters, just as there will be a small number who will be saying "that happened to me". The latter will be quoted in all the tabloids and broadsheets tomorrow morning. What can you do? So many football fans will have a wonderful tournament and come back praising SA to the rafters. But if any of them unfortunately suffer a car-jacking, they will be used in the headlines and as the memory of the World Cup. Ke Nako, indeed!
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