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Post by merse on Jul 14, 2010 13:01:37 GMT
Watching the Tour on Bastille Day appropriately following the Route Napoleon (N85) down to Gap ...................only trouble is Old Boney traversed it in the opposite direction ~ how very, very, French. Have you ever driven along any of it Monsieur Hayes? It's marked by some fabulous sculptured brass eagles atop granite pedestals (I don't know who cleans them all) and today the Grand Boucle is just south of Grenoble around the Vizille area as I post. After that epic 100 day march north up and down all those ruddy mountain passes and all with his army, no wonder they lost the Battle of Waterloo at the end of all that sight seeing!
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Post by chrish on Jul 14, 2010 14:47:22 GMT
Watching the Tour on Bastille Day appropriately following the Route Napoleon (N85) down to Gap ...................only trouble is Old Boney traversed it in the opposite direction ~ how very, very, French. Have you ever driven along any of it Monsieur Hayes? It's marked by some fabulous sculptured brass eagles atop granite pedestals (I don't know who cleans them all) and today the Grand Boucle is just south of Grenoble around the Vizille area as I post. After that epic 100 day march north up and down all those ruddy mountain passes and all with his army, no wonder they lost the Battle of Waterloo at the end of all that sight seeing! It's one part of France that I haven't driven in yet. On my last trip to France I made it down as far as Grenoble. But the RN85 seems like one I should add to the "to do" list. But I have others on this list as well. The old car passed it's MOT last week but I think it'll be the last year so I have to plan a special send off. I was thinking of driving to Kiev or Moscow. I was planning to drive to Amman once overland. Inspired in the main by seeing a Dutch Motorhome in the car park in Wadi Rum. On the face of it there was only one slightly dodgy country to pass through, Syria. If she broke down on the road to Damascus then it would be a fitting end eh? I'll certainly take some converting.
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Post by merse on Jul 14, 2010 16:53:24 GMT
It's one part of France that I haven't driven in yet. On my last trip to France I made it down as far as Grenoble. But the RN85 seems like one I should add to the list.................. Be warned though it is known as "the most dangerous road in France", due I guess to some of the sections that are a challenge to safe motoring at the best of times but even more challenging when drivers are "rubber necking" and I must admit that was a terrible problem of my own when I traversed it. Hasn't the Monte Carlo Rally often taken it into their itinerary?
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Post by chrish on Jul 14, 2010 18:44:30 GMT
It's one part of France that I haven't driven in yet. On my last trip to France I made it down as far as Grenoble. But the RN85 seems like one I should add to the list.................. Be warned though it is known as "the most dangerous road in France", due I guess to some of the sections that are a challenge to safe motoring at the best of times but even more challenging when drivers are "rubber necking" and I must admit that was a terrible problem of my own when I traversed it. Hasn't the Monte Carlo Rally often taken it into their itinerary? I think they may have from time to time but the hills and roads around La Turbie and Menton seem to be used an awful lot. The Autoroute from Nice into Italy is quite some feat of engineering. I lost count of how many bridges, viaducts and tunnels there are on that section. It's all the more hairy for the number of 40 ton lorries stradling both lanes inside the tunnels. I didn't think that the D418 "route des cols" in the Pyrenees wasn't that bad but I have to say that the scariest road I've ever been on is the Bealach Na Ba (Pass of the Cattle) in Scotland. Thick fog, 5-10 metres visibility and single track with narrow passing passes. It's not as high as the French mountain passes but it does go from 0 metres to 624 metres, but because it's single track I rate it as much more dangerous. The only saving grace of the thick fog is that I couldn't see just how far the drops were on either side. It was like driving on top of a cloud. Very strange indeed. Thanks to Top Gear I really quite fancy the Stelvio Pass and Ceaucescu's Folly, the Transfăgărăşan (try saying that with a Dutch accent!), which was built in 1970-1974 in response to the 1968 Soviet Invasion of Czechoslovakia. Ceaucescu wanted a way to move his troops North of the Carpathians in case the Soviets decided to oust him in the same way they did with Alexander Dubček. Apparently they used over 6 million tons of dynamite to create it.
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Post by chrish on Jul 15, 2010 18:47:02 GMT
Well, well ,well. A pretty run of the mill stage in yet another stunning part of France, ends in huge controversy as HTC Columbia Rider Mark Renshaw gets disqualified from the Tour because of head butting an opponent in the shoulder three times in order to create room for the Manx Missile to get Stage win number 3 of 2010.
The last 10 km of this race you could see all of the major teams battle to a) get their sprinters to the front of the peloton and b) get the race leaders to the front of the peloton in case the crosswinds caused any time splits. It was fascinating to see Team Saxo Bank and Astana try and keep Schleck and Contador out of trouble only for the big sprint teams (HTC Columbia and Lampre) to battle it out for the last 3 kms.
I think the decision to disqualify Renshaw is a bit harsh but it's obviously an attempt by the officials of a traditional tour race to cut out some of the track style tactics. If they're arguing that it's dangerous, then so was the last 10km. The speeds they were doing were incredible and they were bumping and barging everywhere.
I'll guess we'll see just how good Cavendish is without his slingshot now.
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Post by merse on Jul 15, 2010 23:39:57 GMT
Having watched most of the live coverage of this stage, I was then forced to miss the end as I had to get Anthony to football and as I read your post before I watched the Ch4 resume this evening......................thanks for spoiling it Chris! So no sanction against Julian Dean who began the contre temps by "leaning in" on Renshaw? and apart from the time honoured sprinters/Belgian road scrapper's tactic of "Elbows Out" what else could Renshaw have done? However, his second transgression, that of trying to close out another opponent into the crash barriers on the left were what probably sealed his fate. As you say, a "track tactic" and in reality most of the best "lead out men" are track stars in their own right. Yes, it will be very hard for Cav now without his minder and lead out man. That section down through "The Drome" after the major climb of the day is one of the most stunning places on earth what with the contortions of the limestone rock stacks adding to the already spectacular gorges of The Ardeche ~ a stunning example of the power of the elements of wind, ice and water over millions of years.......................God was it really over a quarter of a century since I was in those places? I get so wound up by 'er indoors who has a contemptuous disinterest in such scenery ~ "if you can't shop there, it isn't worth visiting" in her eyes. We're currently in a World War 3 battle over my intention to take the kids for a little bit of camping experience.......................just for a couple of days. You'd think I wanted to take little Calvin crocodile hunting ~ la vache stupide
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Post by Rags on Jul 16, 2010 6:15:14 GMT
So no sanction against Julian Dean who began the contre temps by "leaning in" on Renshaw? and apart from the time honoured sprinters/Belgian road scrapper's tactic of "Elbows Out" what else could Renshaw have done? However, his second transgression, that of trying to close out another opponent into the crash barriers on the left were what probably sealed his fate. We're currently in a World War 3 battle over my intention to take the kids for a little bit of camping experience.......................just for a couple of days. You'd think I wanted to take little Calvin crocodile hunting ~ la vache stupide Merse, you've probably sorted out your destination in readiness for the green light, but my next-door neighbour recently took his two boys camping very near Uffington. Lots of getting muddy and building fires. His wife doesn't do that sort of camping, anything less than a well-scrubbed 3-star toilet block and they're back on the road looking for the next park..
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Post by Rags on Jul 16, 2010 6:17:12 GMT
Blimey, Andy Schleck's a vicious thug on a bike, isn't he? He'll inflict all sorts of pain and damage on anyone who gets in his way, sort of a two-wheeled version of Alien.
But off it, he's a mild-mannered, polite and good-natured boy.
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Post by Rags on Jul 16, 2010 6:21:33 GMT
So no sanction against Julian Dean who began the contre temps by "leaning in" on Renshaw? and apart from the time honoured sprinters/Belgian road scrapper's tactic of "Elbows Out" what else could Renshaw have done? However, his second transgression, that of trying to close out another opponent into the crash barriers on the left were what probably sealed his fate. Because I'm not a racing cyclist, I still think that Renshaw's transgression was unintentional: that he was just looking to see Cav out of his path so he could move over to the left and didn't see Tyler coming up on his shoulder. Clearly I'm wrong, because these athletes are a lot clever than that, but I've been watching Le Tour for years and I still have to watch most of the major incidents on rewind because I've missed what went on first time... Sports become far too complex and I'm thinking of going to support my local boules team in future. How difficult can that be to understand?
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Post by merse on Jul 16, 2010 10:04:06 GMT
my next-door neighbour recently took his two boys camping very near Uffington. Lots of getting muddy and building fires. I know an Uffington near the Berkshire downs (just north of Lambourn) but we'll be heading to the Surrey Hills and a rendezvous with my eldest daughter, my son in law and three of my grandchildren......................and Anthony's taking his crocodile bait!
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Post by chrish on Jul 16, 2010 11:12:48 GMT
Having watched most of the live coverage of this stage, I was then forced to miss the end as I had to get Anthony to football and as I read your post before I watched the Ch4 resume this evening......................thanks for spoiling it Chris! So no sanction against Julian Dean who began the contre temps by "leaning in" on Renshaw? and apart from the time honoured sprinters/Belgian road scrapper's tactic of "Elbows Out" what else could Renshaw have done? However, his second transgression, that of trying to close out another opponent into the crash barriers on the left were what probably sealed his fate. As you say, a "track tactic" and in reality most of the best "lead out men" are track stars in their own right. Yes, it will be very hard for Cav now without his minder and lead out man. That section down through "The Drome" after the major climb of the day is one of the most stunning places on earth what with the contortions of the limestone rock stacks adding to the already spectacular gorges of The Ardeche ~ a stunning example of the power of the elements of wind, ice and water over millions of years.......................God was it really over a quarter of a century since I was in those places? I get so wound up by 'er indoors who has a contemptuous disinterest in such scenery ~ "if you can't shop there, it isn't worth visiting" in her eyes. We're currently in a World War 3 battle over my intention to take the kids for a little bit of camping experience.......................just for a couple of days. You'd think I wanted to take little Calvin crocodile hunting ~ la vache stupide Sorry about that Merse! Today's stage to Mende travels on roads I've been on a few times. Again very nice countryside in the Lozere and the Ardeche departments. Today is quite a hilly stage. I wonder if Andy Schleck will attack Contador today. There's no huge climbs today but plenty of scope for picking up a pick of time and the finish is uphill as well. But I get the feeling that Contador isn't going to be shaken off easily this year. I think he'll probably not get the Yellow Jersey until the near the end though, just to keep things interesting. But it's not gonna be a Battle Royale a la Greg Le Mond/Laurent Fignon! Just after Mende there's a really nice road. You fork off after Mende and head towards Saint Enemie. After a few hairpin switchbacks you get up to a plateau which leads to the Tarn valley at around 1000 metres and the road is deserted and has dips, bends and sharp corners which even driving in my old crate I rather enjoyed. I did vow to go back with something like an Impreza. Then you drop down towards St Enemie and onto the Gorges du Tarn. The road onto Millau then is like being in the Grand Canyon but coated with dense forests and the road passes through countless tunnels which would remind you all of the train line between Dawlish and Teignmouth. This part of France really is as quiet and as unspoilt as you're going to get in France. Before they built the magnificent Millau Bridge a bit futher down the Tarn valley people just avoided the Autoroute linking Clermont with Montpelier. The section is now quite popular. The motorway is free and you just pay 6 euros to cross over that amazing bridge. It's also a big blue cheese area as well which gets a big tick from me. I think I'll go back soon if I can.
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Post by merse on Jul 16, 2010 15:35:11 GMT
Today's stage to Mende travels on roads I've been on a few times.................. I've never been up into the Tarne ~ more a stage of the Tour for the "rolleur" rather than the out and and out climber though I would guess. What I do know about this area is that it is that from which the Jalabert Bros come from and also that anywhere just east of the Pyrenees will suffer from melting tar at this time of the year. Indeed the road surfaces where I have been in that part of France are not exactly condusive to easy pedalling as they seem to use very large chippings in the tarmacadam make up ~ perhaps deliberately to counter the melting factor, I don't know. The effect that it has if of appearing to be cycling "uphill" when you are on the flat and "on the flat" when on a slight decline...................all very taxing on the mental strength of the tired rider twelve stages or more into the Tour. I think Schleck will need to get at least two minutes ahead of Contadour before that time trial on the penaltimate day and the Pyrenees is his big chance. Contadour will wipe the floor with him in that time trial and in last year's event he returned a time 1 minute, 45 seconds better than the Luxembourger. I missed a lot of today's scenery as I was pre-occupied taking Calvin's first tricycle apart that his mum had impatiently put together "all wrong" whilst I was out last night and then had to cope with him insisting on "helping daddy" put it all back together properly and safe to ride on at every opportunity today! I couldn't even draw any inspiration from those mad mechanics who hang out of the service car windows and carry out running adjustments to the bikes as they roll along.....................a great career for a three fingered Janner don't you think? After all, not that many of them can count on retiring with many more digits than that surely!
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Post by merse on Jul 16, 2010 16:21:56 GMT
......................and Anthony's taking his crocodile bait! Despite being portrayed on here as some "Anti Devonian", I just love the countryside and at the moment Olivia and I spend most evenings cuddled up on the sofa watching re-runs of "Johnny's Kingdom" the series that North Devonian Johhny Kingdom made about his life and times in the village of Bishop's Nympton. You would love that Dave! Oli's enthralled by that Deb'n aaaaaccent and is always getting me to talk that way. Many's the time she's asked me to repeat something I've said to her "in Devon" I think she'd be absolutely bowled over by Mr Beeny wouldn't you? Probably inspired by Johhny, she's looking forward to camping out under a full moon * and spending the night rooting around for badgers and foxes......................more chance of seeing a fox rifling through the bins downstairs here in North London to be honest, but I can but try for her and it should be great fun. * EDIT: Well I've just checked the "full moon" calender, and there won't even be a ruddy moon the time we are going It'll have to be prodding around in the dark then!
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Post by capitalgull on Jul 16, 2010 17:36:16 GMT
I think you are spot on about Schleck's needs for the Pyrenees, but I would reckon he might even require more - something like three minutes. I know he is Luxembourg time-trial champion this year but that is only because he and brother Frank share the prizes between them and Frank won the road-race this time around.
Third and fourth were a 75-year-old monk and Miss Luxembourg, who failed a stringent sex test after the race.
I always find the Pyrenees stages much more interesting because of the toughness of the climbs - they are probably not as long or twisty but they are a lot sharper and more suited to someone with a turn of foot like Senor Contador, who IMO will be very difficult to beat from this point on. Just a little chink in Schleck's armour today will have been enough to spur him on, and with that horrid little rotter Vinokourov to back him up, I think he might have too much for the Saxo Bank men.
Be a shame because I would like Schleck to win one of these Grand Tours one day, but it's a tough time to be going for one when the competition is so fierce.
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Post by merse on Jul 16, 2010 18:01:49 GMT
Third and fourth were a 75-year-old monk and Miss Luxembourg, who failed a stringent sex test after the race. Lycra habits and shaved legs eh? I wonder who sported which?
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