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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2008 23:43:16 GMT
No pictures of the sea front - from the other direction - but with a little bit of imagination here's a few "travelling to the match" pictures: The charabancs leave for the FA Cup game at Minehead in 1921. United win 3-0 with two goals from Stuckey (any relation to Bruce?). Coming back from the first-ever Football League match at Plainmoor 27 August 1927. Extra trams laid on as United draw with Exeter City in front of 10,749.Off to Crystal Palace for the big game, May 1957. Over a thousand United fans travel for a midweek match which ends in promotion being missed on goal average. United fans await the Football Special from Kingswear to St James Park Halt for the Good Friday derby at Exeter City in 1964. Over 16,000 watch a 0-0 draw. No damage is reported to the trains but large number of toilet rolls are found strewn along the line at Dawlish Warren. Pictures from the Mike Holgate and John Pike books.
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Post by merse on Dec 29, 2008 3:43:57 GMT
Thats very true Dave, this is our local walk, I dont want car parks, ice-cream vans, playgrounds etc Thank you Tubbs, nice to learn that the spirit of apartheid will be applied to us revenue earning Grockels when we come down. I'm looking forward to the new park benches labelled "Locals" - "Grockels", advantageous parking spaces a few yards from the beach reserved for the disabled,locals whilst the "Grocks" get Newton Abbot Racecourse; and don't forget to segregate the beaches will you! Perhaps if we agree to all sit to gether in our own part of the buses we'll be allowed to use them as well? Nelson Mandela for Mayor!
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Post by merse on Dec 29, 2008 4:06:45 GMT
No pictures of the sea front - from the other direction - but with a little bit of imagination here's a few "travelling to the match" pictures: 1-The charabancs leave for the FA Cup game at Minehead in 1921. 2-Off to Crystal Palace for the big game, May 1957. Over a thousand United fans travel for a midweek match which ends in promotion being missed on goal average. 3- United fans await the Football Special from Kingswear to St James Park Halt for the Good Friday derby at Exeter City in 1964. Over 16,000 watch a 0-0 draw. No damage is reported to the trains but large number of toilet rolls are found strewn along the line at Dawlish Warren. 1- Looks like the first "chara" was a "Ladies Special" (as in the female species, not the toilets!) perhaps they stopped off in Exeter for shopping en route! 2- Good bit of "layover" business for the bus from Huddersfield in the foreground! 3- My father, uncle and I caught that special at NA. I had to climb a tree on the railway side of the Big Bank to see the game, contracted diarrhoea and shat myself and could have done with some of those toilet rolls. Somehow, the journey home seemed less crowded!
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2008 9:47:03 GMT
Thats very true Dave, this is our local walk, I dont want car parks, ice-cream vans, playgrounds etc Thank you Tubbs, nice to learn that the spirit of apartheid will be applied to us revenue earning Grockels when we come down. I'm looking forward to the new park benches labelled "Locals" - "Grockels", advantageous parking spaces a few yards from the beach reserved for the disabled,locals whilst the "Grocks" get Newton Abbot Racecourse; and don't forget to segregate the beaches will you! Perhaps if we agree to all sit to gether in our own part of the buses we'll be allowed to use them as well? Nelson Mandela for Mayor! In true Merse style, you have gone and done what you do so often and that is to try and twist what really is being said. Those that live in Torbay, know and understand that we need to have visitors to the Bay, so many jobs and businesses depend on people coming here and spending their money. The plain fact is that life in the summer months is so much different from the winter months, we have to deal with so much more traffic for a start. Our streets that we can walk freely in the winter, become a battle ground as we fight our way down them, battling with groups of foreign students and family's who do not keep proper control of their children. We find the places we use in the winter months like restaurants and cafes, are not the same welcoming places we know in the winter and we notice the price increases we have to pay, because visitors are in town. I have stopped using two such places, they go overboard to get the locals in during the winter months, they need us then to keep them going. Sadly some want to cast the locals aside during the summer as they pack in the holiday makers and put up their prices. I'm sure Merse you have places you take your family in London, that is far away from the tourist hot spots, places where you can enjoy some space and peace, surly after working hard all week, we all deserve that. The tourists have lots of places to go in Torbay, the ones they go to will more than often we set up to not only attract them there, but offer what the tourist is looking for, while on holiday in Torbay. I see no problem with the locals having a few places that they can escape too, places that as Bev said, we do not need or want to see Ice cream vans fighting to get trade, places where we can unwind and relax in the beauty and peace of parts of Torbay that we may just want to keep secret anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2008 12:46:42 GMT
I wonder if there was a Fraser Motors of Accrington coach in that old snap of Lymington Road? They later merged with Eagle Motors before, much more recently, getting into rail replacement buses in a big way. Consequently we now have the rather grandly-named Fraser Eagle Stadium (the Crown Ground in old money) at Accrington Stanley with the company also sponsoring Rabat Ajax in Malta. Grey Cars never did that type of thing, did they? The 1964 Good Friday special was an "educated guess". Apparently St James' Park Halt was so-named in 1946 to reflect its' proximity to the football ground (a poorer man's version of Herbert Chapman successfully lobbying for Gillespie Road tube to be named Arsenal). Before it was Lions Holt Halt; now its' just St James' Park. The Mayoral Vision suggests Torre should become Torquay Central.... Goodrington Sands (for Torquay United)....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2008 13:12:42 GMT
I'm looking forward to the new park benches labelled "Locals" - "Grockels", Is it me but are we in the grip of a national crisis regarding the over-supply of memorial benches? I used to fancy having one in memory of myself - perhaps overlooking a small clearance in the trees on Lincombe Drive - but I'm now concerned this might clutter up the environment. Go to somewhere like Budleigh Salterton - or Sidmouth - and the benches are lining up in battalions to the extent they quite possibly outnumber the living. At an exponential rate I understand an area the size of Rutland will be lost to memorial benches between now and 2075. Tongue in cheek, of course, and I'm still touched by the idea of a bench in a favourite place. Indeed, I sat down recently to admire "The Balloon". Then I realised I was sat on a bench most likely dedicated to someone who taught me maths donkey's years ago. Another one of those home-town associations...
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2008 13:22:12 GMT
You were doing so well in your post Barton, then you went and ruined it by saying "I sat down recently to admire "The Balloon". The very subject of memorial benches, was discussed on the J.Vine show on radio 2, not so long ago. It seems that in most places there are very large waiting lists to even be able to have and put one somewhere. Some interesting view points as well, some felt it was a really nice and special way to remember someone who was no longer with us. Others felt that sitting on a bench with the name of some dead person on it, was not the sort of bench they wanted to sit on. Each to their own I suppose, but I see nothing wrong with having a bench with my name on it, I would rather some remember me for my bench, than me having to go and commit some major crime, so my name was written in history
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Post by merse on Dec 29, 2008 13:32:36 GMT
Is it me but are we in the grip of a national crisis regarding the over-supply of memorial benches? Go to somewhere like Budleigh Salterton - or Sidmouth - and the benches are lining up in battalions to the extent they quite possibly outnumber the living. I make you right Barton, but the other day I was walking on Hampstead Heath when I got down on all fours to re-tie my little girl's shoe lace. With that an old dear sat on me exclaiming to her husband "Come and sit here Bert, there's an empty seat at last!"Outnumber the living? depends on how you quantify living I guess!
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Post by capitalgull on Dec 29, 2008 13:43:22 GMT
My own Uncle Peter, who sadly passed away about 20 years ago now not long after moving back 'home' to Torquay from Chester, has a memorial bench in town...not sure if it is somewhere on Daddyhole Plain or along Meadfoot Beach.
I've often thought it is a fantastic show of respect for a loved one and am not surprised to hear there is a waiting list for them.
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2008 13:55:55 GMT
My own Uncle Peter, who sadly passed away about 20 years ago now not long after moving back 'home' to Torquay from Chester, has a memorial bench in town...not sure if it is somewhere on Daddyhole Plain or along Meadfoot Beach. I've often thought it is a fantastic show of respect for a loved one and am not surprised to hear there is a waiting list for them. Andy that is why I think such benches are special and why we should have them. Its now so normal for people to be cremated and graves are almost a thing of the past. Carol and I went to find the grave of my dear old Gran in Newton Abbot this year. Just being able to stand by it made me feel I was with my Gran. How great to be able to have a bench with the name of a loved on it,to you it would be their bench and one would hope in a place that was special to them and maybe for you. To go there and sit on that bench must have the same effect as standing by a grave, only it would be so much better . You would be at a place that had happy memories, you can't have any for time spent in a graveyard.
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Post by merse on Dec 29, 2008 16:39:39 GMT
Apparently St James' Park Halt was so-named in 1946 to reflect its' proximity to the football ground (a poorer man's version of Herbert Chapman successfully lobbying for Gillespie Road tube to be named Arsenal). The Mayoral Vision suggests Torre should become Torquay Central.... Ever mindful of the needs of ground hoppers to record photographic evidence of their visit, Arsenal erected a huge concrete A R S E N A L at the entrance to one end of the access bridge to the Clock End of the Emirates Stadium so that folk can either stand in front, or even sit inside the letters that will accommodate them. On emerging from a cafe across Drayton Park Road one day I noticed a pair of lads going to great lengths to pose their picture so that the end product showed one baring his arse and obliterating the "N A L " - just had to be Spurs fans I guess! Torquay Central eh? It would help if the run down old shed was actually IN the centre of Torquay! Not as bad as when we travelled by train from Waterloo to "Yeovil" Station - it was a bloody field somewhere in Dorset I think, with a sign that read "Set your watch back twenty five years"Mind you, the local ( First) bus company provided us CGs with our own exclusive bus to ferry us out to another remote field somewhere around North Petherton I do believe where Yeovil Town have set up camp in yet another dreadful out of town location
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2008 16:48:38 GMT
The planned new Yeovil Town stadium, will be even further out than the current one, that is so easy to reach and drive to from most points in Somerset, the new one may well have a Hotel etc and is seen as the next step for a football club that has made such great progress over the last few years.It sure has not been held back by its stadium location.
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Post by Jon on Dec 29, 2008 16:58:20 GMT
[/b]eh? It would help if the run down old shed was actually IN the centre of Torquay! Not as bad as when we travelled by train from Waterloo to "Yeovil" Station - it was a bloody field somewhere in Dorset I think[/quote] Reminds me if when I got the train from Nottingham to Mansfield and Alfreton Parkway, only to find that it was about the same distance from Field Mill as Nottingham was! Got the coach back.
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Post by merse on Dec 29, 2008 18:15:20 GMT
The planned new Yeovil Town stadium, will be even further out than the current one, that is so easy to reach and drive to from most points in Somerset That's all very well, but it is all diluting the essence of a match day. The moving of clubs to anaemic locations that pander to the "drive in, drive out" mentality are conducive to the watering down of the atmosphere that detracts from the overall enjoyment of the stadium visit. Take Yeovil as an example then...............a visit to the old Huish took one to the town centre with all it's attendant facilities - proper pubs, newsagents, betting shops, cafes. To step outside the new Huish Park you will find none of this and unless you are a club member, you are denied access to the plush facilities within just one side of the ground. Even the nearest pub is a fifteen minute hike away and it is one of those dreadful "estate" pubs - try getting a game of darts or pool in there on a match day. To me, the most successful modern day stadium is The Emirates BECAUSE it's located in the traditional hinterland of the old ground with all it's periphery"essentials" for the old school football fans YET incorporating superb "in stadium" facilities for those fortunate enough to be able to afford the considerable outlay for them. Develop these out of town stadiums and you change the very demography of the support. Take the ground out of the town and you soon lose the raucous, boisterous atmosphere easily transferred from the pubs and betting shops, the cafes and newsagents shops across the road with prissy little family outings that "pre-match" in the nearest MacDonalds, ToysRus or World of Leather emporiums that surround such remote "sportsparks" as Sixfields, The Reebok etc. That's what the Everton fans are fighting against at the moment! That's why I love Plainmoor and would take it over that "ground in a field" in Yeovil anytime.....................I can go in the Union down the road or Boots. I can eat in the Gulls Nest or Drakes not too far away. I can have a bet in William Hills on the way in and collect my winnings on the way out. It is a proper bloke's environment, not some silly little plastic "kit ground" where the kids can't sing without the promptings of a videotron screen. Where I can while away the hour before kick off talking crap in the pub instead of flicking sweets because there's nought else to do. Further out than Huish Park? Jesus Christ they'll want to call the club Yeovil and Taunton United next!
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2008 18:53:36 GMT
Merse you say that the
The Emirates BECAUSE it's located in the traditional hinterland of the old ground
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incorporating superb "in stadium" facilities for those fortunate enough to be able to afford the considerable outlay for them.
So what sort of stadium is it that only the rich can really enjoy what it has to offer?
You know you and many others might like to take in pubs as part of the day out going to football, that is not what everyone wants. I go to watch a football match, not silly enough to keep the bookies driving around in big Jags and only care that the ground I visit will be a safe an enjoyable place to watch a game.
How many times have the pubs had to be shut around Plainmoor? how do those who live there feel when gangs of fighting fans are running outside their houses.
Would it not be better to have a ground that is not to hard to get too, where all fans can enjoy a pint if they want and the club get the money, not some local pub on an estate.
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