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Post by Dave on Aug 18, 2009 21:16:26 GMT
Well after our great win against Burton, I feel like getting this thread started. We saw in the preseason games that Benyon and Rendall work well together, it was proved in my mind in the Burton game. So I hope Bucks sticks with those two up front. I really wish Thompson was able to play this game, I just think we would really complete our team out on the pitch, as much as I love Hargreaves, I do feel he is a bit to slow, still it may well be Bucks sticks with him. Mansell should be fully fit and I would expect we will see Chris Todd go on the bench, I do not think having a rest will do him any harm, I have said before I do think he pushes to hard at times, but I can understand his mindset. Thats the only real changes I can see being made, unless Bucks does bring in any new players, if he did would they only be month loans, seeing our two players at FGR are only there for a month, well to start with anyway. Not sure how many Barnet will bring down, but I see no reason why we should not have a 4000+ gate and I can see Plainmoor having its second party in two weeks.  |
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Post by Dave on Aug 18, 2009 21:38:07 GMT
Forgot to add,do not forget to buy a programme on Saturday, you never know it may be a post from you that will be in our very first two page feature. Plus you just have to see what crooky has done  |
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Post by Yellow on Aug 19, 2009 21:55:16 GMT
I would like to see Stevens rested... for a long time as it happens, and Muzzy given his chance.
We still seem to have a lot of fringe players on the fringes.
I note Green is 3 goals in 3 games for Oxford. Was a season long loan a good decision? What if we find the need for pace in attack? The Sills/Rendell combo is somewhat challenged in that department.
If there was one lesson from the stuttering end to the 2007/08 season it was that there are times when you need a plan B.
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Post by Rob on Aug 19, 2009 22:06:50 GMT
I would like to see Stevens rested... for a long time as it happens, and Muzzy given his chance. We still seem to have a lot of fringe players on the fringes. I note Green is 3 goals in 3 games for Oxford. Was a season long loan a good decision? What if we find the need for pace in attack? The Sills/Rendell combo is somewhat challenged in that department. If there was one lesson from the stuttering end to the 2007/08 season it was that there are times when you need a plan B. Stevens was Man of the Match in the opinion of many against Chesterfield for how he performed in the first 60 mins. He doesn't seem to have been alone in having a stinker at D&R, and reports from last night have him putting in a good shift, reference being made to his tracking back. Maybe Carayol deserves a chance. Maybe not. Fringe players do sometimes stay ...er...on the fringe. Some of them get good match practice out on loan. Can't we have Benyon for that bit of pace up front? As indeed we did against Burton last night. Matt bloody Green won't play for us again and we have scored 9 goals in four games, with Sills, Rendell and Benyon all off the mark. Plan B? We got promoted. We seem to have tried 4-4-2, 4-3-3 and 4-2-4 for various periods of a match already this season and got a fair few results with our 4-5-1 on the road last season. We'll beat Barnet 2-1. And Buckle is our King. As the chant goes. |
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Post by Yellow on Aug 19, 2009 23:20:18 GMT
Rob
We didn't get promoted in 2007/08. We ............no I don't want to talk about it.
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Post by jaildodgergull on Aug 20, 2009 0:46:21 GMT
He might be yours - but what about Frank O & CK |
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Post by buster on Aug 20, 2009 11:50:38 GMT
Yellow I think you are being a little harsh on the players.
Despite some thinking there is not much difference between Div 4 & the conference. It is a step up and this was evident in the movement of Chesterfield & D & R.
I think we have performed excellently in 2 of the 4 games so far. The club fully recognises the job in hand and PB appears from where I am sitting to be on the case.
The plan appears to be to see where we are in January and then go for it to push for promotion or avoid relegation.
From the very few results so far I see no reason why we should not be in the top half come Jan10 and able to push on with a few fresh faces.
Life is never dull following the Gulls I wouldn`t be surprised if the play offs were not in our grasp post jan 10.
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Post by Mark L on Aug 20, 2009 12:35:20 GMT
The plan appears to be to see where we are in January and then go for it to push for promotion or avoid relegation. From the very few results so far I see no reason why we should not be in the top half come Jan10 and able to push on with a few fresh faces. buster I prefer the idea of having a chart in the dressing room with a target of 50 points and showing the progress each match made towards the target. If you can make that target in January you're going to be up there. If not, you could be in with a struggle... it's simplistic but I would have thought it would help focus the players' minds both long and short-term. Rather that than just 'seeing where we are in January'. |
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Post by dazgull on Aug 20, 2009 12:57:02 GMT
If Mansell is fit, then Robertson will swap places on to the subs bench. Todd on previous games performances could have been dropped but he played well at burton so he will keep his place.
In midfield Carlisle should be fit so the only possible change that could happen is Brough coming in for Hargreaves.
Up front I think it will be Rendell/Benyon.
So:
Bevan
Nicholson
Charnock
Todd
Mansell
Stevens
Wroe
Brough
Carlisle
Rendell
Benyon
Subs: Whoever is left over......!!!
As for a crowd of 4000 Dave......dream on! We may have had nearly that in the last game but Chesterfield had 700 odd out of that so it was around 3200 Gulls fans on the day. Will probably drop a little bit and with Barnet having about 150 it should just get over the 3000 mark.
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Post by Yellow on Aug 20, 2009 16:41:23 GMT
Yellow I think you are being a little harsh on the players. buster Perhaps but I still believe that we have a few too many "Conference standard" players that will be outclassed too often in this league. Also Greavsie's important legs are 38 now (both of them!) And I would have liked to see the likes of Ellis and Green being given an opportunity to stake a claim before being parcelled out on loan. |
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Post by Rob on Aug 20, 2009 18:55:17 GMT
Rob We didn't get promoted in 2007/08. We ............no I don't want to talk about it. I know that. It's something we did after that game. With Plans B and C looking accomplished. Hargreaves is 37. Maybe 3-1. With Mansell for Robertson the only change from Tuesday. |
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 21, 2009 9:51:37 GMT
With 21 players, Thompson injured and three more on loan, then youth players will be required to fill the subs bench. I would imagine that Yeoman will fill that second reserve striker spot, (would rather Sturrock!)and if Carlisle is not quite ready, (and I would rather he missed one game as opposed to being out for several weeks like last autumn and then needing a few more matches to get up to full fitness) then Halpin will also make the bench. Carayol and Stevens could make at exciting combination that perhaps would be more suited to a home match. At the Carvery two weeks ago, Colin Lee talked about Sills and Rendle being best placed to receive incoming crosses and both played a big part in the goals scored. Whether Benyon has now usurped Sills starting position permanently could be shown come tomorrow. If Mansell starts then it is a tough choice between Robertson and Todd. The encouraging aspect is that we are scoring goals quite readily in this league which bodes well both for tomorrow and the rest of the season.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 10:36:08 GMT
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Irrespective of how well Benyon is or is not playing, I can't see a Rendell/Sills combination working. That's an opinion based on one match only which obviously isn't really enough on which to draw a firm conclusion, but in the Chesterfield match Rendell was the main target man for balls out of defence. Rendell held the ball up well & laid it off reasonably accurately but Sills hasn't got the speed to be running into a threatening position to accept a pass & neither can he shoot particularly well if he had miraculously found the mobility to create the chance.
Without suspension or injury to Rendell I see Tim's starting opportunities as being severly limited this season....maybe it will be Sills out on loan before the end of the season ?
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Post by chrish on Aug 21, 2009 11:46:29 GMT
rjdgull Irrespective of how well Benyon is or is not playing, I can't see a Rendell/Sills combination working. That's an opinion based on one match only which obviously isn't really enough on which to draw a firm conclusion, but in the Chesterfield match Rendell was the main target man for balls out of defence. Rendell held the ball up well & laid it off reasonably accurately but Sills hasn't got the speed to be running into a threatening position to accept a pass & neither can he shoot particularly well if he had miraculously found the mobility to create the chance. Without suspension or injury to Rendell I see Tim's starting opportunities as being severly limited this season....maybe it will be Sills out on loan before the end of the season ? You may well be right Joe but its maybe a little too early to write him off just yet. Make sure you give him you full support until it becomes evident to all that league football might be a bit too much for him. As PB said at the start of the season, he feels he owes it to the players who got us promotion to have a decent crack at Div 2 football. I'm sure there are contingency plans in place if those players don't make the step up. Hopefully if that day comes when PB has to be ruthless with the likes of Sills etc we won't be subjected to another thread lasting longer than War and Peace about another player who's received "heartless" treatment from PB or indeed win the player of the season. |
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Post by Yellow on Aug 21, 2009 19:28:57 GMT
rjdgull Irrespective of how well Benyon is or is not playing, I can't see a Rendell/Sills combination working. That's an opinion based on one match only which obviously isn't really enough on which to draw a firm conclusion, but in the Chesterfield match Rendell was the main target man for balls out of defence. Rendell held the ball up well & laid it off reasonably accurately but Sills hasn't got the speed to be running into a threatening position to accept a pass & neither can he shoot particularly well if he had miraculously found the mobility to create the chance. Without suspension or injury to Rendell I see Tim's starting opportunities as being severly limited this season....maybe it will be Sills out on loan before the end of the season ? You may well be right Joe but its maybe a little too early to write him off just yet. Make sure you give him you full support until it becomes evident to all that league football might be a bit too much for him. As PB said at the start of the season, he feels he owes it to the players who got us promotion to have a decent crack at Div 2 football. I'm sure there are contingency plans in place if those players don't make the step up. Hopefully if that day comes when PB has to be ruthless with the likes of Sills etc we won't be subjected to another thread lasting longer than War and Peace about another player who's received "heartless" treatment from PB or indeed win the player of the season. But are PB's statements just a euphamism for I can't get replacements? Sillsy has tried and failed in the league before with Hereford. He remains a valuable squad player, but he is definitely one of those "Conference players" with something to prove in Div 2. IMHO Nicholson and Stevens fall into the same category, as do Hargreaves' legs. |
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