Post by Deleted on May 18, 2010 14:49:09 GMT
Lots from Dave that can't go unacknowledged or unanswered.
Some bits and pieces I found on the web about Cornwall, I do enjoy spending time in the county, but feel Devon is by far the better county.
I certainly believe Devon has more variety and definitely shades it when it comes to towns and the interior. What Cornwall does best; Devon does well. What Devon does best; Cornwall doesn’t quite match up. It’s certainly been an interesting experience working for a Cornwall-based organisation that is encouraging staff to relocate from South Devon. We must be the hardest of all groups to persuade to cross the Tamar on a single ticket.
But there are definite differences and similarities between Devon and Cornwall. Anybody trying to claim Cornwall is “just another English county” might be surprised by what they find. Likewise, hail Cornwall as “a country” and I believe you’re going to be sadly deluded. However, I’m all for encouraging minority cultures and languages and don’t have a problem with the appropriate promotion of this in Cornwall. Yet, once you encourage culture and language, history and politics has a nasty habit of creeping up behind. If Ruritania happened to be a country solely between 900-1100 and under a feudal warlord – but has enjoyed peace, harmony and prosperity ever since as part of a larger nation - it may not have too much just cause to claim independence in the face of widespread indifference. If, on the other hand, its people have been vindictively subjugated for seven hundred years?
Anyway, decide where Cornwall comes in this. Somewhere in Dave’s posting there must be mention of when Cornwall was a separate country and what type of society it was. Or maybe not?
The Prayer Book Rebellion of 1549 against the imposition of the English Prayer book, saw many Cornishmen executed.
Now here’s an interesting example of the use of history. There’s more than one way to tell this tale. On one side, it can be seen as the successors to Henry VIII continuing the old boy’s assault on Roman Catholicism and bloodily putting down rebellions in various parts of England (including a particularly nasty incident in Norfolk). More specifically, in the west, there was the rebellion initiated by the folk of Sampford Courtenay in Devon.
Alternatively, you may choose to describe it as the Anglo-Cornish War of 1549 as found at www.cornishworldmagazine.co.uk/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=77
That article includes this paragraph which I saw reproduced in the columns of the West Briton newspaper just a few weeks ago:
"In all, then, the Anglo-Cornish War of June-August 1549 and its sickening aftermath cost the lives of more than 5,000 Cornish people – approximately 10 per cent of the Duchy’s entire population. Such a proportion labels this episode to be one of the worst acts of genocide in the history of the world. No one had yet conquered and subjugated the Cornish: not the Romans, the Anglo-Saxons or the Normans. In 1549, it finally happened, with Cornwall’s people being terrorized into an enforced English state religion, an English state language and enforced English overlordship. The Duchy’s rights of autonomy became ignored and trampled into the dust and have continued to be denied ever since, even though those rights remain intact at law to this day".
Gosh, bloody hell, what? No wonder the writer of the newspaper piece argued that this should be drummed into the head of every schoolchild in Cornwall as an example of “English” treachery. But is it true? Letters to the paper the following week cast a fair amount of doubt about the veracity of this interpretation and sadly – before the original author could reply – he had a heart attack and correspondence closed. To my mind, it’s an example of the dangers of history worldwide (there's examples of this stuff everywhere) and – in a very Balkan way – we might as well be discussing the Battle of Kosovo of in 1389. I love history but it don’t half cause some problems.
The best known of their Iron Age settlements is at Chysauster, near Penzance.
What a cracking site to visit. And, if you’re in the area, try to get to Carn Euny as well. Penwith is rather special and does, in places, have a genuine Celtic feel. Ultimately not to DH Lawrence’s liking – the locals thought he was a German spy – and, if you’re planning a walk on the hills, be prepared for fearsome undergrowth.
St Petroc
He founded Padstow, originally Petrocstow.Greeted by a hostile crown when he landed from Wales, who refused to give him a drink of water, Petroc merely tapped the ground with is staff, and immediately a spring of fresh water appeared. The locals were immediately converted to followers.His bones were put into an ivory casket and housed in Bodmin Church. They were stolen in 1994 but later recovered.
Isn’t Petroc also a good Devon saint and the dedication for the new-fangled Devon flag? Certainly there’s a Petrockstowe in clay country between Hatherleigh and Torrington. And, when they recently merged North Devon College and East Devon College, a competition to find a new name came up with Petroc. What for a college? See www.petroc.ac.uk if you don't believe me.
And shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!
This is starting to remind me of Neddy Kneebone, the old history teacher at TBGS. Enough.
Some bits and pieces I found on the web about Cornwall, I do enjoy spending time in the county, but feel Devon is by far the better county.
I certainly believe Devon has more variety and definitely shades it when it comes to towns and the interior. What Cornwall does best; Devon does well. What Devon does best; Cornwall doesn’t quite match up. It’s certainly been an interesting experience working for a Cornwall-based organisation that is encouraging staff to relocate from South Devon. We must be the hardest of all groups to persuade to cross the Tamar on a single ticket.
But there are definite differences and similarities between Devon and Cornwall. Anybody trying to claim Cornwall is “just another English county” might be surprised by what they find. Likewise, hail Cornwall as “a country” and I believe you’re going to be sadly deluded. However, I’m all for encouraging minority cultures and languages and don’t have a problem with the appropriate promotion of this in Cornwall. Yet, once you encourage culture and language, history and politics has a nasty habit of creeping up behind. If Ruritania happened to be a country solely between 900-1100 and under a feudal warlord – but has enjoyed peace, harmony and prosperity ever since as part of a larger nation - it may not have too much just cause to claim independence in the face of widespread indifference. If, on the other hand, its people have been vindictively subjugated for seven hundred years?
Anyway, decide where Cornwall comes in this. Somewhere in Dave’s posting there must be mention of when Cornwall was a separate country and what type of society it was. Or maybe not?
The Prayer Book Rebellion of 1549 against the imposition of the English Prayer book, saw many Cornishmen executed.
Now here’s an interesting example of the use of history. There’s more than one way to tell this tale. On one side, it can be seen as the successors to Henry VIII continuing the old boy’s assault on Roman Catholicism and bloodily putting down rebellions in various parts of England (including a particularly nasty incident in Norfolk). More specifically, in the west, there was the rebellion initiated by the folk of Sampford Courtenay in Devon.
Alternatively, you may choose to describe it as the Anglo-Cornish War of 1549 as found at www.cornishworldmagazine.co.uk/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=77
That article includes this paragraph which I saw reproduced in the columns of the West Briton newspaper just a few weeks ago:
"In all, then, the Anglo-Cornish War of June-August 1549 and its sickening aftermath cost the lives of more than 5,000 Cornish people – approximately 10 per cent of the Duchy’s entire population. Such a proportion labels this episode to be one of the worst acts of genocide in the history of the world. No one had yet conquered and subjugated the Cornish: not the Romans, the Anglo-Saxons or the Normans. In 1549, it finally happened, with Cornwall’s people being terrorized into an enforced English state religion, an English state language and enforced English overlordship. The Duchy’s rights of autonomy became ignored and trampled into the dust and have continued to be denied ever since, even though those rights remain intact at law to this day".
Gosh, bloody hell, what? No wonder the writer of the newspaper piece argued that this should be drummed into the head of every schoolchild in Cornwall as an example of “English” treachery. But is it true? Letters to the paper the following week cast a fair amount of doubt about the veracity of this interpretation and sadly – before the original author could reply – he had a heart attack and correspondence closed. To my mind, it’s an example of the dangers of history worldwide (there's examples of this stuff everywhere) and – in a very Balkan way – we might as well be discussing the Battle of Kosovo of in 1389. I love history but it don’t half cause some problems.
The best known of their Iron Age settlements is at Chysauster, near Penzance.
What a cracking site to visit. And, if you’re in the area, try to get to Carn Euny as well. Penwith is rather special and does, in places, have a genuine Celtic feel. Ultimately not to DH Lawrence’s liking – the locals thought he was a German spy – and, if you’re planning a walk on the hills, be prepared for fearsome undergrowth.
St Petroc
He founded Padstow, originally Petrocstow.Greeted by a hostile crown when he landed from Wales, who refused to give him a drink of water, Petroc merely tapped the ground with is staff, and immediately a spring of fresh water appeared. The locals were immediately converted to followers.His bones were put into an ivory casket and housed in Bodmin Church. They were stolen in 1994 but later recovered.
Isn’t Petroc also a good Devon saint and the dedication for the new-fangled Devon flag? Certainly there’s a Petrockstowe in clay country between Hatherleigh and Torrington. And, when they recently merged North Devon College and East Devon College, a competition to find a new name came up with Petroc. What for a college? See www.petroc.ac.uk if you don't believe me.
And shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!
This is starting to remind me of Neddy Kneebone, the old history teacher at TBGS. Enough.
I heard the City bought up a jo(bie) lot of St Pauli kacks for their club shop at the end of last season figuring there would be a huge demand for brown underpants in the fight against relegation! 
;D 
