As you will know many of the things I put up on the forum belong to Ant, I did put up the away Crystal Palace game v Torquay United programme that was played on the 1st may 1957.
We all know what happened that season and I thought it would good to try and get the home game programme with Palace for the same season.
Sadly I have not been able to find one for sale anywhere as yet, but I did manage to find a home game in the same year only it was early in the next season. This game was played on the 25th September 1957, so I did a deal and today the postman kindly put it through my letter box.
I think home programmes offer more interesting reads for us all, as we can read the managers views and other things to do with TUFC. Plus all the great old local ad’s.
This game kicked off on a Wednesday at 5.15pm and in his notes the manager says it’s the last mid-week game until the lighter evenings return.looks like we did not start the season too well.
I expect our history boys can give us some stats etc and you can be sure Barton will find something he will want to highlight
Well, Dave, looking at those adverts I can reveal that - fifty odd years later - I sometimes take up the offer to wait for my train in the bar of the Grand Hotel (although, in those days, all those milk bars must have been a strong counter-attraction). However it's quite a while since I had a pen repaired by Cyril Edwards or anyone else.
So what does anybody know of Colonel Rowland Ward, club president, other than he was a mayor of Torquay in the 1930s and club chairman either side of the war? Interesting to see that Eric Webber, Don Mills and Ron Shaw had all been on scouting missions in a bid a strengthen the team which, we must assume, wasn't too successful as we slumped from 2nd in 1956/57 to 21st in 1957/58 (this game against Palace ending in a 1-1 draw in front of 4,500).
Perhaps Neil Langman would have been a decent signing? The Devonian went instead to Colchester where he scored 50 league goals in 128 league appearances.
thanks dave r for reproducing the 1957 programme of utd v crystal palace. it was particularly interesting to read that the then chairman, mr arthur miler was scouting at the spursv birmingham game. milner was an industrialist from the midlands and had kept up his connections with the blues. it seems probable that the outcome of him attending that game led to geoff cox signing for utd shortly after. geoff had come as a winger but it was obvious very early that he didn/t have the pace for a wingman. however he was turned into originally a number 8, then called inside right, followed in the coming seasons as wing half, a slightly deeper midfield player. geoff played for many seasons and was a great servant to the gulls.
i believe he is still residing in torquay. that 57/58 season was a tough season, particularly after the previous season when we just lost out on goal average t ipswich town who subsequently went on to win the 2nd div, and the following season win the old 1st div,all under the management of sir alf ramsey. we finished that season in the bottom half and unfortunatley became one of the former members of the fourth division. one of the main reason for the slump was the ageing of a few of the players around the same time. the incomparable don mills,arguably the greatest of all united players, sammy collins and ronnie shaw. all thes wonderful players were now in their thirties.
That's a good point, phipsy, about the imminent arrival of Geoff Cox in December 1957 by which time Tommy Northcott had returned to the club and Ernie Pym introduced to the team. Perhaps the seeds of the 1960 promotion team were slowly being planted....
Interesting to read the reference to Peter Wakeham and his giving a goal away......................here was a young local keeper who was allowed to develop without the crowd on his back and went on to play at the highest level with Sunderland and England Under 23s.
Could not Martin Rice be afforded the same tolerance by those who seemed to be trying hard to destroy the lad as soon as he arrived here from Exeter City? His treatment reminded me of the similar stick handed out to Vince O'Keefe when he arrived from the same source back in the eighties, yet he too went onto bigger and better things with Blackburn Rovers.
It seems more important to these morons that slagging off former Exeter City players (Carlisle and Bucks too) is more important than supporting their own side and gaining the pleasure to be derived from seeing OUR own lads develop and mature into fine players.
Less than five months after a fateful 1-1 draw with Palace.
Sill unbeaten in five at home after this, but five straight defeats on the road left us near the bottom - where we would stay all season condemning us to the dreaded new Fourth Division just over a year after missing the Second by a fraction.
Where did it all go wrong?
Future TUFC manager at right back for Palace.
Young ref would go on to referee in 1966 World Cup and 1968 FA Cup Final.