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Post by longeatongull on Mar 12, 2010 21:18:21 GMT
Amendment to the results of season four of the prediction leagueThe idea of running a prediction league on the TFF is to add a bit of fun and extra enjoyment on the forum for the members who want to take part in it. I’m sure even though we do it for fun and we sure won’t be winning any big cash prize, we would all like to win the title, I think I would be happy to stay in league one. ;D Lou and I were unaware of the actions taken by Flats to win season four and while no rules were broken as such, both Lou and I feel that flats has not played the game in the sprite he should have. Those taking part are asked to put in their own predictions, what they think themselves will be the final results from the games Lou puts up to predict on. When we make our post on the thread there may well be other entries already on the thread and this is the way such competitions have always been run, the only other way to do it would be to get everyone to PM their entry to Lou, but I really don’t want us to have to go down that road. On week seven of season four Flats moved into the top spot leading by two points and knocked pcm down into second place. On week eight flats waited until pcm had put in his entry and then copied the exact predictions made by pcm, knowing that by doing so their scores would be the same for week eight and he would win the title. Lou and I both feel that flats has not played the game in the sprite it was intended to be played and have come to the decision that he did not win the title fairly and therefore even thought he has retired from the competition, we have disqualified him from season four. This means that pcm has now been declared the winner of season four and we would both like to congratulate him for holding onto the title he won the season before. Dave I commented yesterday that I couldnt believe people opened 2 accounts to win poster of the week----now we have cheating on prediction league. I always thought this tff was so like real life and families ---squabbles/friendships etc etc. We only want a sex scandal now ;D |
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Post by stefano on Mar 12, 2010 23:15:54 GMT
I commented yesterday that I couldnt believe people opened 2 accounts to win poster of the week----now we have cheating on prediction league. I always thought this tff was so like real life and families ---squabbles/friendships etc etc.
We only want a sex scandal now ;D Fiddling Poster of the Week does sound a bit ridiculous. But having read the Prediction League summary I am not convinced that it was actually cheating ... I would say tactical awareness! Flats must have done things right prediction wise to be at the top of the league in the first place, so is it really any different to players taking the ball to the corner flag with no intention of going for goal or merse punting the ball into the brook next to Sandringham Park for the last twenty minutes when Newtor United were hanging on to a one goal lead!  I don't regard myself as a cheat but it is just possible that in the same position I may have done the same thing.  The cup thing was of course totally different with the 8-0 and 13-7 predictions planned for every game, but in fairness it didn't actually go ahead and would we have known what was happening if they hadn't actually come forward and admitted it? Soap operas have got nothing on this Forum and as for the sex scandal, did you hear about .....  Although a different topic I loved Wolfie's Passport Application post. It is just so me!! Whereas Aussie has a regular rant on the Forum my hobby is winging similarly ranting letters off to official bodies. Replies are amazing, and is either totally bland and defensive or over the top condescending with a cheque or vouchers enclosed. We are not here very long so we may as well enjoy it in the best way we can!!!  |
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Post by merse on Mar 13, 2010 11:24:56 GMT
Fiddling Poster of the Week does sound a bit ridiculous. But having read the Prediction League summary I am not convinced that it was actually cheating ... I would say tactical awareness! Flats must have done things right prediction wise to be at the top of the league in the first place, so is it really any different to players taking the ball to the corner flag with no intention of going for goal or merse punting the ball into the brook next to Sandringham Park for the last twenty minutes when Newtor United were hanging on to a one goal lead!  Allegations of cheating at last managed to entice me into this most boring of threads to my personal taste, and I must say I'm with Stefano on this one. What Flats has done in my humble opinion, is no different to engaging in cat and mouse "cattenacio" football once ahead, or counter move chess. No different than gaining an early knock down or two over a boxing opponent and then keeping him at bay through jab and move for the rest of the bout. Shame on those who made that silly decision, and I'll be looking for young Flats to emerge as an astute footbal manager in the years to come! |
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Post by Dave on Mar 13, 2010 11:38:40 GMT
Shame on those who made that silly decision, and I'll be looking for young Flats to emerge as an astute footbal manager in the years to come! No shame on me Merse and no real surprise you stuck your nose into something you wished was not run on this forum. I took the view that flats had not played the game in the sprite it is meant to be played in, nowhere has it been claimed he cheated, your entitled to your views but they are not ones I share and nor did Lou who runs the prediction league. |
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Post by merse on Mar 13, 2010 12:22:13 GMT
Shame on those who made that silly decision, and I'll be looking for young Flats to emerge as an astute footbal manager in the years to come! No shame on me Merse and no real surprise you stuck your nose into something you wished was not run on this forum. I took the view that flats had not played the game in the sprite it is meant to be played in, nowhere has it been claimed he cheated, your entitled to your views but they are not ones I share and nor did Lou who runs the prediction league. Somewhat contradictory to say I am "sticking my nose in" and then say I am "entitled to my views"................if you don'd want comment on a subject, deal with it by PM rather than on an open forum which by it's very nature will invite comment. To claim that "nowhere was it claimed he had cheated" is nonsense: refer to Longie's post last night (around 9 pm) which is what drew my attention to it in the first place. Instead of your latest desire to increase your Merse Bashing I suggest you go and "Bash The Bishop" instead for a while and calm down!  |
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Post by flats on Mar 13, 2010 12:34:18 GMT
Amendment to the results of season four of the prediction leagueThe idea of running a prediction league on the TFF is to add a bit of fun and extra enjoyment on the forum for the members who want to take part in it. I’m sure even though we do it for fun and we sure won’t be winning any big cash prize, we would all like to win the title, I think I would be happy to stay in league one. ;D Lou and I were unaware of the actions taken by Flats to win season four and while no rules were broken as such, both Lou and I feel that flats has not played the game in the sprite he should have. Those taking part are asked to put in their own predictions, what they think themselves will be the final results from the games Lou puts up to predict on. When we make our post on the thread there may well be other entries already on the thread and this is the way such competitions have always been run, the only other way to do it would be to get everyone to PM their entry to Lou, but I really don’t want us to have to go down that road. On week seven of season four Flats moved into the top spot leading by two points and knocked pcm down into second place. On week eight flats waited until pcm had put in his entry and then copied the exact predictions made by pcm, knowing that by doing so their scores would be the same for week eight and he would win the title. Lou and I both feel that flats has not played the game in the sprite it was intended to be played and have come to the decision that he did not win the title fairly and therefore even thought he has retired from the competition, we have disqualified him from season four. This means that pcm has now been declared the winner of season four and we would both like to congratulate him for holding onto the title he won the season before. Dave Ouch................................ there were another 8 people who could of overtaken both myself and pcm, so unless you are calling them cheats as well, then how can I be........................ hope no one on here has ever been undercharged a penny for anything at Plainmoor and not immediately reported it to the authoriites and paid it back.........else Admin will publicly label you a T-Leaf.. I will start a new thread as a confession box. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 13, 2010 12:40:43 GMT
The reference to sticking your nose in was made because you have no interest in the prediction league and as far as I'm concerned as that is the case you really should not therefore be getting involved in decisions made by those running it
But as this is still a free country you are still permitted to have an opinion, but in this case due to your views on the prediction league, I see it only as you poking your nose in.
I have read the post you refer too and can't find any reference to cheating and I did state that no rules as such had been broken. I did say I felt flats had won unfairly by not playing the game in the correct sprite it is meant to be played in. It is after all a prediction league and you win points by using your skills and judgment to correctly predict results.
pcm has not complained to Lou or I about what went on but did post that he felt flats should defend his title after the circumstances in which he won it. I think that is what should have happened but flats decided not to and that played a part in the decision we made.
No one is trying to bash you merse, only responding to your views, its what we do on forums and what they are set up for.
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Post by chelstongull on Mar 13, 2010 12:49:29 GMT
Surely it was a tactical decision rather than cheating? If no rules have been broken then young Mr Flats has done nothing wrong.
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Post by longeatongull on Mar 13, 2010 14:06:22 GMT
No shame on me Merse and no real surprise you stuck your nose into something you wished was not run on this forum. I took the view that flats had not played the game in the sprite it is meant to be played in, nowhere has it been claimed he cheated, your entitled to your views but they are not ones I share and nor did Lou who runs the prediction league. Somewhat contradictory to say I am "sticking my nose in" and then say I am "entitled to my views"................if you don not want comment on a subject, deal with it by PM rather than on an open forum which by it's very nature will invite comment. To claim that "nowhere was it claimed he had cheated" is nonsense: refer to Longie's post last night (around 9 pm) which is what drew my attention to it in the first place. Instead of your latest desire to increase your Merse Bashing I suggest you go and "Bash The Bishop" instead for a while and calm down! Hi Merse it was me guvnor!! Sorry when I said cheating -I could have put "bending the rules" or something else (I didnt realise anyone was reading my post word for word ;D). I was just "trying" to encourage some more light hearted banter about how OUR tff mirrors life. I do agree with Dave R (and many others) that this is just a light hearted fun competition--I didnt realise members were waiting for others to post. Now youve shown some enthusiasm perhaps you would care to join us for the last season? Have a good weekend and lets hope for 3 points today----just going through my lucky rituals now---walk the dog, get fish and chips and blow 3 kisses in the direction of Aussie ;D |
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Post by Dave on Mar 14, 2010 1:32:13 GMT
deal with it by PM rather than on an open forum which by it's very nature will invite comment. Merse it always has been and always will be the policy on the TFF to discuss everything out in the open and not demand the members take things to PM messages only. What ever needs to be said on here should only be on the front of the forum for everyone to see and that is the only way to run and honest and open forum. The prediction league is not some football match and runs and works on a very simple idea. Those taking part in it use their skill and judgment to Predict the results of the games put up each week. Points are earned and they determine the players position in the league tables. In other words where they are in the table is based on how good they have been at predicting and nothing else and tactics to do not form any part of the game, its a simple case of you end up where you do because you were a better or worse predictor than the other players. Thats why its called a prediction league and that is the sprite in which it should be played and should you win it, then you have been the best predictor that season and nothing else. |
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I don't regard myself as a cheat but it is just possible that in the same position I may have done the same thing. 