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Post by rjdgull on Jul 20, 2010 21:53:47 GMT
Of course, the two main landowners of Torquay in the C19 were Cary and Palk - Baronet and later Baron of Haldon. His land encompassed the Lincombes, Warberries and down to Market St / Ellacombe Road so Plainmoor must have originally bordered these two estates and they may in part have formed the original Borough boundary. The Warberries and Lincombes were developed by William Kitson as an agent for Sir L V Palk to pay for substantive debts not helped by those certain vices of drinking, gambling and keeping various mistresses.  I wonder if there is a connection somewhere to a certain Torquay director? Warberry Hill was developed after a reservoir was established in the late 1850s behind where Warberry School is now, with most of the large Victorian Villas developed by the 1890s. This fits in nicely with BD's name change at the turn of the century to differentiate from Higher Warberry Road near to the top of Quinta Road which looks like may have constituted part of the original Warberry Lane. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 9:51:44 GMT
Going back to the Rev John Percy Baker’s parsonage, Sydney Langmead’s book about Ellacombe dates it as 1909-1911. To me it looks more municipal than ecclesiastical. I believe it replaced an earlier vicarage further along Bronshill Road, each of which would have had a lofty elevation (in more ways than one) over most of the parish. Jon’s National Archives link soon produces a further link to documents relating to St Paul’s Mission Church, variously known as the “iron church” or “tin church”. This was very close to the Boots and Laces corner of Plainmoor in the bend of St Paul’s Crescent. Terry Leaman’s site has a picture and says this: On 28 January 1890 the Mission Church of St Paul was opened. It was at the top of St Paul’s Road (originally Broadmead Road) in Plainmoor in the area originally known as Boston Fields. This was another building of wood and iron (and was usually referred to as the "tin Church" ). In 1966 St Paul’s Church was closed and demolished despite vocal local opposition. Did this church have any part in the history of Torquay United? You could almost imagine the flock serving teas on big match days....  From Terry Leaman’s site at myweb.tiscali.co.uk/terryleaman/Tiscali/churches%202/Ellacombe.htmMany of Timbo’s programmes show Dr L J Jacobs as the club’s medical officer. My Kelly’s Directory of Torquay and Paignton 1965 records him as being on one of the GPs at Southover on Bronshill Road. A random Bronshill Road reference I found on the web (we'll probably never know if Edward ever watched or played at Plainmoor): Mrs. Parsons, of Hardene, Bronshill Road, has lost her son. Mr. Edward Parsons, who was chief storekeeper on the Titanic. He had been in connected with the White Star Line for many years, and had previously served on the Oceanic, Teutonic, and Majestic. He leaves a widow and five children at Southampton. – from the Torquay Directory, Wednesday 24 April 1912 (www.encyclopedia-titanica.org) And a final observation from the Plainmoor environs is of Victoria Park Road - where many supporters must have parked over the years – and the strange sight of that wall which appears to cut the road in two. Actually, on closer inspection, Cedar Court Road (beyond the wall) is a separate development built much later. I’m not sure if its' removal was ever an issue but, if so, why did the wall remain in place? Was it to retain the relative exclusiveness of Cedar Court? General traffic flow? Or did the presence of the football ground – I would imagine that the newer houses were built after the club joined the Football League – have an influence on its' retention? |
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Post by merse on Jul 22, 2010 12:13:32 GMT
 "Tin Tabernacles" or "Iron Churches" have been around since the era of Victorian imposition of Christianity on the people of the world. They were mission buildings prefabricated and erected in kit form and many survive to this day; some even enjoy "listed" status. Some have been erected on more than one site, having served their purpose and been replaced by more "permanent" stone or brick buildings. I used to live very near the celebrated one in Hackney in East London which is located at the junction of Brownlow and Shrubland Roads in E8 and I do believe that is one of those that is protected by being "listed".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 14:28:07 GMT
"Tin Tabernacles" or "Iron Churches" have been around since the era of Victorian imposition of Christianity on the people of the world. The peoples of the world including Torquay? Victorian missionary work included the (stone) structures of All Saints Torre, St Luke, St Mark, St Matthias, Christ Church Ellacombe, St Matthew, All Saints Babbacombe, St Mary Magdalene, Holy Trinity Torwood Street, St John and St Mary St Marychurch. Then there was the restoration of St Saviour in Torre and the establishment of Catholic churches on Abbey Road and at St Marychurch. Talk about a Victorian town.... |
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Post by merse on Jul 22, 2010 15:07:15 GMT
"Tin Tabernacles" or "Iron Churches" have been around since the era of Victorian imposition of Christianity on the people of the world.
The peoples of the world including Torquay? No I wasn't alluding to Torquay Barty, more like the upper reaches of the Congo River where most probably the first reference the idiginous people heard relating to "Jesus Christ" would have been in the utterances of Dr Livingstone when he surveyed the bare breasts of the local women!  |
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Post by Jon on Jul 22, 2010 23:24:20 GMT
"Tin Tabernacles" or "Iron Churches" have been around since the era of Victorian imposition of Christianity on the people of the world. In fairness, Christianity was responsible for a hell of a lot of good works in Victorian times - I just don't know why they had to keep bringing religion into it. |
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Post by Jon on Jul 22, 2010 23:47:35 GMT
Kelly’s records the house between (what is now) Westlands Lane and Derwent Road as the home of the Rev John Burton, vicar of Christ Church, Ellacombe – the parsonage of 1906 or thereabouts. This is now Jubilee House care home, another landmark it’s easy to take for granted. You are spot on with the location of the vicarage and it now being Jubilee House care home. I had a good nose round before the game and took Chelston with me as cover - if anyone had asked what I was up to I would have said I was showing my Dad around with a view to moving him in. There is an inscription above the front door that says: DOMINUS BENEDICAT TUUM EXITUM ET TUUM INTROITUM I was impressed by the use of the iussive subjunctive, but I don't think Chelston was.  Your National Archives link opens up another world – the Iron Church; the Excelsior mineral water works and the Bounty of Queen Anne included. I had always thought that mineral water was invented by yuppies in the 1980s. I was surprised to see from the link below that Torquay had six mineral water manufacturers (not to mention three artificial teeth adaptors and a Turkish baths) in 1911. htt genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Tormoham/TorquayTrade1911.htmlThe Excelsior mineral water works was run by Mr Rundle and son and there was also a Torbay Pickle Co. manufacturing pickles at the Excelsior works - maybe that's why Mr Branston feels so at home at Plainmoor! Excelsior was the name of a rugby club that played at Plainmmor in the 1880s before merging with Ellacombe to form Torquay Athletic in 1886. I wonder if the rugby club was named after the mineral water works or vice-versa or if they were both named after something else. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2010 7:42:04 GMT
There is an inscription above the front door that says: DOMINUS BENEDICAT TUUM EXITUM ET TUUM INTROITUM I spotted that but, without my note book, was nervous of transcribing it incorrectly in fear of being derided by such an exacting audience. Remember I dropped Latin at the end of the third year. What does it mean? Is it a message for all those Torquay United managers who have come and gone over the years? As for mineral water, Tip Top was still going strong at Upton Hill in the 1965 Kelly's Directory. And, at Paignton, Dawe's.Excelsior was the name of a rugby club that played at Plainmmor in the 1880s before merging with Ellacombe to form Torquay Athletic in 1886. I wonder if the rugby club was named after the mineral water works or vice-versa or if they were both named after something else. There's a club called Excelsior in Rotterdam and both Gillingham and Airdrie started life under such a name in the 19th century. |
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Post by Budleigh on Jul 23, 2010 9:42:59 GMT
From school-day recollections this phrase is often used in differing forms in Psalms and translates something along the lines of:
The Lord shall bless those leaving and those entering.
I stand to be corrected by those more knowledgable!
And in light of comments elsewhere about the man-management skills of Mr Buckle and how he clamps down on dissenting players, then maybe above his office door should be the inscription:
Non ducor, duco
Which translates as:
I am not led, I lead.
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Post by merse on Jul 23, 2010 9:54:37 GMT
And in light of comments elsewhere about the man-management skills of Mr Buckle and how he clamps down on dissenting players, then maybe above his office door should be the inscription:Non ducor, duco
Which translates as:
I am not led, I lead. I can think of one poster on here who would translate as having something to do with church roofs!  |
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Post by Jon on Sept 4, 2010 16:30:38 GMT
I was going to post up a "Happy 100th Birthday Dear Plainmoor" message yesterday, but unfortunately I couldn't! One day late is better than never.
3 September 1910 - Torquay Town 2 St Austell 0
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Post by Jon on Nov 8, 2010 23:16:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2010 9:29:30 GMT
26,000 for the 1893 Devon county show? That's a Plainmoor record.
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Post by Budleigh on Nov 16, 2010 7:53:18 GMT
Unfortunately not Bartie...
This was the second time the Devon County Agricultural Association held the Devon County Show at Plainmoor, the first being in 1882 when 29,738 'passed through the turnstiles'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2010 7:58:22 GMT
Unfortunately not Bartie... This was the second time the Devon County Agricultural Association held the Devon County Show at Plainmoor, the first being in 1882 when 29,738 'passed through the turnstiles'. We'll break that 30,000 barrier yet! |
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I wonder if there is a connection somewhere to a certain Torquay director?
