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Post by merse on Jun 5, 2009 17:37:30 GMT
Here's a question to keep you occupied for the immediate future......................how many different venues have hosted England home matches at full international level since the very first game with Scotland at Kennington Oval? If you think you know them then can you name them? ;D
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Post by aussie on Jun 5, 2009 17:49:57 GMT
My moneys on Bartondowns to come in with the goods, a good length and a half in front of anyone else! The mans a walking football encyclopedia!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2009 19:46:57 GMT
Okay, Aus, I've got the Rothmans/Sky Sports in front of me and it's a rather long list so I won't spoil the fun so early on in the thread. Instead, a potted history and a few supplementary questions.
Basically it's an act in five parts.
Firstly, a whole host of grounds from 1872 through to the opening of Wembley in 1923. One of my favourites is Queen's Club in Kensington which we now associate with tennis. Here's the line-up from the game against Wales in 1895 (not many lads from East Lancs in the line-up that day):
1. George Raikes Oxford University 2. Lewis Lodge Cambridge University 3. William Oakley Oxford University 4. Arthur Henfrey Corinthians 5. Charles Wreford-Brown Old Carthusians 6. Richard Barker Casuals 7. Hugh Stanbrough Old Carthusians 8. Gerald Dewhurst Liverpool Ramblers 9. Gilbert Smith Oxford University 10. Robert Gosling Old Etonians 11. Rupert Sandilands Old Westminsters
A few other venues from those days include Crewe, Millwall, Bradford and the wonderful old Crystal Palace.
Question 1: when did England first play a home fixture up north?
The second period, from 1923, soon saw England playing Scotland at the brand new Wembley but no other visitors were allowed anywhere near the place until after WW2. This meant England continued to play around the country with many of the bigger games held at Highbury and White Hart Lane with lesser fixtures being played at a varied assortment of grounds including West Bromwich, Burnley, Huddersfield and Wolverhampton.
Question 2: when have England teams - of any description - played at Plainmoor?
Thirdly, there was that long period from the late 1950s to the demolition of the old Wembley in 2000 when practically every England home game was played at what was now regarded as the "national stadium" (and centre of the known universe according to The Sun, Daily Express and Football Association).
Question: which home games did England play elsewhere than Wembley between 1960 and 2000? And why did they once play an away game at Goodison Park?
Fourthly, the seven year period when Wembley was being re-built. During this period it was just like old times with the team playing all over the country. Did you see any of those games and what did you reckon?
Question 4: during that 2000-2007 period who did England play at Ipswich? Derby? Southampton? West Ham?
And, finally, it looks like they're now pretty much back at Wembley exclusively...
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Post by aussie on Jun 6, 2009 7:59:24 GMT
I knew you wouldn`t let me down!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2009 9:19:49 GMT
I knew you wouldn`t let me down! And the score at West Ham?
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Post by aussie on Jun 6, 2009 9:54:28 GMT
Lucas has gone to Stabatsary to be with Harry, gutted!
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Post by merse on Jun 7, 2009 16:19:14 GMT
Here's a question to keep you occupied for the immediate future......................how many different venues have hosted England home matches at full international level since the very first game with Scotland at Kennington Oval? Not that it tempted much participation, but for the record here is the answer: Bramall Lane, Sheffield; Leamington Road, Blackburn; Victoria Ground, Stoke; Anfield Road, Liverpool; Newcastle Road, Sunderland; Molyneux, Wolverhampton; Ewood Park, Blackburn; Wellington Road ~ which I think was Lords; Racecourse Ground, Derby; Goodison Park, Liverpool; Trent Bridge, Nottingham; Crystal Palace, London; Roker Park, Sunderland; Ashton Gate, Bristol; Gresty Road, Crewe; Villa Park, Birmingham; The Dell, Southampton; St James' Park, Newcastle; Fratton Park, Portsmouth; Ayresome Park, Middlesbrough; Craven Cottage, London; Park Avenue, Bradford; City Ground, Nottingham; Baseball Ground, Derby; The Den, London; Stamford Bridge, London; Arsenal Stadium, London; Hillsborough, Sheffield; The Hawthorns, West Bromwich; Wembley Stadium, London; Selhurst Park, London; Old Trafford, Manchester; Turf Moor, Burnley; Bloomfield Road, Blackpool and White Hart Lane, London!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2009 20:37:55 GMT
Well, this one has got my attention and I'm discovering all sort of things (with the warning that some of it has come from Wiki). Excuse the compulsiveness.
England's first visit to Blackburn - v Wales 1881 - may have been to Alexandra Meadows (current home of East Lancs CC where I'm sure I once went to a "do"). This is the other side of Dukes Brow to Leamington Street where England later played (and home of Rovers in the early days of the Football League).
Wellington Road is actually in Perry Barr, Birmingham - Villa's ground until 1897.
The 1883 game against Wales in Liverpool was at Aigburth Cricket Ground (I've been to the bar there as well) and the 1885 international against Ireland in Manchester was at Whalley Range.
Something of a "split hairs" job, but the 1888 game against Wales at Crewe was played at the Alexandra Recreation Ground - which Wiki calls Nantwich Road - that was just a few yards north of the present Gresty Road.
And, regarding London venues, England played Scotland in 1893 at Richmond Athletic Ground.
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Post by Jon on Jun 8, 2009 23:35:58 GMT
Question 2: when have England teams - of any description - played at Plainmoor? I can think of : Amateurs v Wales 1933 ATC V Wales 1947 Torquay v Spurs 1971 Greenwood's v Robson's 1995 Schools u-18 v Austria 2000
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 10:51:29 GMT
Question 2: when have England teams - of any description - played at Plainmoor? I can think of : Amateurs v Wales 1933 ATC V Wales 1947 Torquay v Spurs 1971 Greenwood's v Robson's 1995 Schools u-18 v Austria 2000 I thought of the amateur international in 1933 and the more recent schools game. 1995 - Norman Medhurst's testimonial? 1971, a reference to Mike England? (cue question about [Gary] Brazil). Which leaves 1947 - not an Air Training Corps international surely?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 20:48:50 GMT
From Mike Holgate's Images of Sport book:
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Post by Jon on Jun 9, 2009 22:16:55 GMT
I thought of the amateur international in 1933 and the more recent schools game. 1995 - Norman Medhurst's testimonial? 1971, a reference to Mike England? (cue question about [Gary] Brazil). Which leaves 1947 - not an Air Training Corps international surely? Sadly, Barton, I pondered this one for far too long in the expectation that you had come up with some devilishly cunning lateral thinking. I had wondered if you were thinking of another sport and thought that maybe one of the pre-WW1 Rugby League exhibitions might have featured an England 13 - but I couldn't see anything here: www.plymouthtitans.com/page7.htmSo I fell back on the Mike England pun for an attempted bonus point. The 1995 game was indeed Norman's Testimonial - my abiding memory of that game was seeing Tom Kelly, of all people, warming up in a white England shirt with the three lions on. I suppose that the ATC just after WW2 was a far far bigger thing than we could imagine now. England won 6-0 before a crowd of around 3,000. I wonder how many TUFC fans had made the trip up the road to Bristol - where we were tubbed 5-0 on the same day infront of 20,000+.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2009 22:01:45 GMT
Sadly, Barton, I pondered this one for far too long in the expectation that you had come up with some devilishly cunning lateral thinking. I had wondered if you were thinking of another sport and thought that maybe one of the pre-WW1 Rugby League exhibitions might have featured an England 13 - but I couldn't see anything here: Perhaps there was an unofficial baseball international in the run up to D Day? Which English football ground has staged a baseball international? And which has hosted the final of the World Lacrosse Championship? (dead easy if you know anything about Lacrosse in this country)
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Post by chrish on Jun 30, 2009 19:24:00 GMT
Goodison Park for the baseball?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2009 20:50:13 GMT
Goodison Park for the baseball? Correct! British baseball has always been based around Liverpool and Cardiff, hence England v Wales internationals. And the lacrosse world championship final? Clue: it hosts football and rugby.
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