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Post by petergodfrey on Jun 5, 2009 17:38:00 GMT
One for Merse and Graystar - try 'Je ne sais quoi' chaps - sorry, it's the French teacher in me coming out !!!
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Post by petergodfrey on Jun 5, 2009 17:41:27 GMT
Midlandstufc - liked that post, made me chuckle, cheers !
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Post by merse on Jun 5, 2009 17:57:46 GMT
Now Merse, I guess I'm just an old romantic - have you no soul ? Anyway I really hope Stanley survive, there's got to be room for the little clubs who rise and survive, at least for a while, because of their on-the-pitch merits, which is what really counts. I couldn't agree more Pete, but I think that poorly equipped grounds like Accie and Macclesfield before the new stand was built are a kick in the teeth for the clubs who judiciously and conscientiously built up great grounds from humble beginnings. I'm talking about Rushden & Diamonds, Kidderminster, MK Dons (whoops, get the tin hat on!) Cheltenham, Wycombe and Yeovil. I particularly admire Kiddie, for the very first time I watched a game at Aggborough there wasn't ONE of the present day stands built and the stand I sat in is now in use as the pub that sits immediately behind the Main Stand and the pitch was surrounded by a cycle track. they had just been elevated into the Southern League from the West Midlands (Regional) League and one could never have envisaged that they would one day achieve Football League status and it would really make my day to see them return before too long!
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Post by merse on Jun 5, 2009 18:03:15 GMT
One for Merse and Graystar - try 'Je ne sais quoi' chaps - sorry, it's the French teacher in me coming out !!! ....................and I live in an Anglo ~ French speaking household................or should that be Franglaise? My French is crap, her indoors' Eeeeenglish is like "Allo, Allo" ~ it's a bloody good job the kids can correct us! ;D
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Post by ospelgull on Jun 5, 2009 18:04:34 GMT
Some of my best mates are northeners................But, chips and gravy, what's that all about? And why call a bread roll a cake when it's obvious to anyone it's not. Always liked our chant that the sh1t up the road were dirty northern barstrds too! Mind you i remember the birds in Macclesfield being very friendly, eh Jamie? You mean the one who gave us a glance of her buttcheaks back in november 2002 after the 3-3 draw? Moose Travel it was I my memory serves me right?
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Post by lambethgull on Jun 5, 2009 19:07:54 GMT
Now Merse, I guess I'm just an old romantic - have you no soul ? Anyway I really hope Stanley survive, there's got to be room for the little clubs who rise and survive, at least for a while, because of their on-the-pitch merits, which is what really counts. a kick in the teeth for the clubs who judiciously and conscientiously built up great grounds from humble beginnings. I'm talking about Rushden & Diamonds, Kidderminster, MK Dons (whoops, get the tin hat on!) Cheltenham, Wycombe and Yeovil. MK Dons hardly started from humble beginnings. It's very easy to build a stadium when the FA allow a club to be parachuted into a large city that doesn't have a football league club. I wouldn't describe Rushden and Diamonds that way either. They were formed from two clubs with their own identities and bank-rolled by a Northamptonshire shoe magnate before and during their ascent and building of their ground...ask a Kettering fan! I think the other examples you use are better. But it's harsh to condemn Accrington too severely in my view. It's an economivally depressed town and for them to bounce back as they did was comendable. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be better for everyone if they'd gone about their ground improvements in a better way, but I think there are mitigating factors for them.
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Post by graystar on Jun 5, 2009 19:09:53 GMT
You're a right bunch of bloody comedians you lot! Funniest things that I've read in ages. Anyway good luck to all you earnest travellers, you're gonna need it when those head-hankie wearing northerners come at you with their poison tipped spears after torquay stuff some of their teams up north. Me, I'll just content myself with the luxury that a working class life in semi-rural Devon brings. You cant beat it, and to all you loyal and faithful northern folk who've stayed put, I've only got two further things to say '' put wood in th'ole and go and make a brew!''
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Post by longeatongull on Jun 5, 2009 19:56:59 GMT
So long as they don`t send their money to the Taliban, cause I`d hate to think we are sponcered by terrorist funders! I cannot stand curry and am also allergic to most of it due to some of the spices used in it, also it bloody stinks aweful, I don`t know how people can eat such sh1t anyway! Also wasn`t this the curry house in Newton that got done for illegal workers? I hope not! Graham did you notice that Devon has been over-run by Northerners, just like The North has been over-run by Foriegners, just a coincidence maybe! Hey Aussie I wish you would stop sitting on the fence and tell us what you think ;D ;D I will look after you when you visit the "wild East midlands"
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Post by merse on Jun 5, 2009 20:17:14 GMT
[MK Dons hardly started from humble beginnings. It's very easy to build a stadium when the FA allow a club to be parachuted into a large city that doesn't have a football league club. I wouldn't describe Rushden and Diamonds that way either. They were formed from two clubs with their own identities and bank-rolled by a Northamptonshire shoe magnate before and during their ascent and building of their ground...ask a Kettering fan! ....................................it's harsh to condemn Accrington too severely in my view. It's an economically depressed town and for them to bounce back as they did was commendable. I was ignoring the politics of the moaning, groaning Wimbledon fans who provided feck all of any kind of deserving support when their team DID play locally. The humble beginnings I refer to was the NHS home of the MK Dons at the beginning of their re-location. As for R&D, merging Irthlingborough Diamonds and Rushden Town is really no different than the history of OUR club in the immediate years before Football League membership was attained when Torquay Town, Babbacombe and Ellacombe became Torquay United, and however it was achieved to have seen the original Diamonds ground and then see for oneself the current Nene Park as I have is indeed mind boggling. Ask anyone who had to struggle to watch the game on that dreadful day at Accrington on an open hump in the pouring driving rain whether they would prefer that experience to sitting in comparative luxury at R&D and only a nutter would opt for the former. The whole point of minimum ground criteria is for the benefit of travelling fans and in my opinion the bar has been set far too low in recent years. Yes, there should always be a place for the little communities like Workington and Accrington in the National Football Infrastructure, but they must understand that certain standards need to be attained before they are allowed to rise upwards.
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Post by petergodfrey on Jun 5, 2009 21:46:24 GMT
I was at that game, Merse - how come everybody except our team knew Cavanagh was scoring from free kicks exactly how he did against us ! Anyway, Accie or Rushden ? it's Accie every time for me ! I see that, of the 24 league 2 teams next year our capacity ranks 4 from bottom, with Accie bottom about 1,000 less
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Post by davethegull on Jun 6, 2009 1:18:50 GMT
You have a good memory Ospel. It was a fun away trip. I remember pimping your boys out to the local females. Would never have believed a place like Macclesfield could encourage such behaviour!!! The birds certainly like vikings!
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Post by lambethgull on Jun 6, 2009 4:06:30 GMT
[MK Dons hardly started from humble beginnings. It's very easy to build a stadium when the FA allow a club to be parachuted into a large city that doesn't have a football league club. I wouldn't describe Rushden and Diamonds that way either. They were formed from two clubs with their own identities and bank-rolled by a Northamptonshire shoe magnate before and during their ascent and building of their ground...ask a Kettering fan! ....................................it's harsh to condemn Accrington too severely in my view. It's an economically depressed town and for them to bounce back as they did was commendable. I was ignoring the politics of the moaning, groaning Wimbledon fans who provided feck all of any kind of deserving support when their team DID play locally. The humble beginnings I refer to was the NHS home of the MK Dons at the beginning of their re-location. As for R&D, merging Irthlingborough Diamonds and Rushden Town is really no different than the history of OUR club in the immediate years before Football League membership was attained when Torquay Town, Babbacombe and Ellacombe became Torquay United, and however it was achieved to have seen the original Diamonds ground and then see for oneself the current Nene Park as I have is indeed mind boggling. Ask anyone who had to struggle to watch the game on that dreadful day at Accrington on an open hump in the pouring driving rain whether they would prefer that experience to sitting in comparative luxury at R&D and only a nutter would opt for the former. The whole point of minimum ground criteria is for the benefit of travelling fans and in my opinion the bar has been set far too low in recent years. Yes, there should always be a place for the little communities like Workington and Accrington in the National Football Infrastructure, but they must understand that certain standards need to be attained before they are allowed to rise upwards. Merse, I was at that game at Accrington. I remember it being one of the most miserable occasions I have spent as a Torquay fan. I can honestly say that having a roof over my head during that game would have made no difference whatsoever as to how I felt during or at the end of that game. The rain was irrelevent; the fate of TUFC was everything. I don't agree that you can remove the politics from the situation. Accrington are where they are. MK Dons are where they are. It simply isn't a fair comparison. Milton Keynes is a large city in an affluent area of the country; Accrington is a small town in an economically depressed area. To say that MK Dons have made a better crack of it than Accrington ignores these factors. Similarly Rushden and Diamonds were supported by Griggs. It is one thing to say there was nothing wrong or iniquitous with the way in which Irthingborough and Rushen were merged. It is another to compare Rushden and Diamonds and Accrington as if they are the same; they're not. Rushden were lucky to have Griggs; they are less lucky now that they do not. I agree with minimum ground standards. Clubs do have a duty to provide decent facilities for paying supporters. But I also think that supporters of clubs like ours should appreciate that it isn't always possible to do meet these deadlines or for clubs to stump up the necessary cash for these requirements. I think the Football League should support its members rather than hang the spectre of points deductions, fines or expulsion over their heads.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2009 8:50:05 GMT
I suppose Accrington getting promoted to the Football League was rather like Farsley, Droylsden, Lewes (or even Accrington themselves) making it to Conference National. It wouldn't have happened if it was still about vote-gathering but it's different now it's on merit (unless there's something very remiss with facilities). But this way - just as strong clubs can wait forever if the team doesn't function - you also get examples of where the team is ready long before the club. I imagine this is what happened at Accrington. Or am I doing them a disservice? When I was living along the way in Nelson in the mid 1980s it never crossed my mind to see a game at Accrington. They were just another club playing at a level which didn't interest me in those days. Here's their league table for 1985/86: In all honesty Accrington's name didn't leap off that page other than being a reformed club from a small town which, against the odds, once had a Football League club. Notwithstanding the original Accrington club of the 1880s and 1890s, it was one of those places which only ever had a professional club because the Football League picked up a fair few stragglers in the 1920s. Certainly, by the 1980s, professional football in Accrington looked as likely as it did in St Helens, Leyland, Bootle or Glossop. I left Lancashire in 1988 and noticed Accrington rising to the Northern Premier League which seemed a decent enough effort in itself. I wasn't really following their progress, but had I noticed, I doubt I'd have been surprised when they slipped from NPL Premier to Div 1 in 1999. But, after that, what went right? I'd love to know. Here's the stats from 1997-98 NPL-P 20/22 1998-99 NPL-P 22/22 1999-00 NPL-1 1/22 2000-01 NPL-P 9/23 2001-02 NPL-P 6/23 2002-03 NPL-P 1/23 2003-04 CONF 10/22 2004-05 CONF-Nat 10/22 2005-06 CONF-Nat 1/22 2006-07 FL-2 20/24 2007-08 FL-2 17/24 2008-09 FL-2 16/24 1999 stands out as the turning point because that's when John Coleman took over as manager. Ten years later he's still there and the club has improved - or equalled - its' position every season. The chairman has been around since the mid 1990s - and is often described as "ambitious" - so you can only assume they always had the Football League in their sights. But did they anticipate it happening so quickly? The side which won the Conference was settled - and accustomed to winning - but surely their success was a surprise? Maybe there was only ever one chance and they took it. So I'm still baffled about what went right (does anybody have any insights?). Somebody there must be very shrewd, astute and able - the virtues of stability and long-term planning? (or creative accounting?) (team before facilities? or has the ground been transformed from what it actually was?) - but, after all those improving seasons, neither Accrington nor the crowds are getting much bigger. The fall, if it comes, could be a big one.
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Post by Jon on Jun 6, 2009 12:24:47 GMT
So I'm still baffled about what went right (does anybody have any insights?). Somebody there must be very shrewd, astute and able - the virtues of stability and long-term planning? (or creative accounting?) (team before facilities? or has the ground been transformed from what it actually was?) - but, after all those improving seasons, neither Accrington nor the crowds are getting much bigger. The fall, if it comes, could be a big one. A very good Chairman, a very good manager and a massive (£250k+) windfall from the Brett Ormerod sell-on clause. I would imagine Stanley will probably settle at NPL or Conference North at best. Staying up for three seasons has been a tremendous feat. Although you have to have basic minimum ground criteria, I think these should not be set too high. Let Stanley enjoy their season (or four) in the sun - they will find their level eventually. Why force them to have a stadium that they will never fill and can't afford? A parallel for me would be if we get promoted this season and then have a serious charge at the play-offs. Unlikely, but it could happen. Would we want to or indeed be able to spend the money to bring Plainmoor up to a standard that would please Newcastle's fans? If not, would we want the League to ban us from taking part in the play-offs? No. We'd want to be allowed to have a go - stuff the moaners from "big-time charlie" clubs. We'd probably only last a season or two - but at least we could say we'd given it a go. By the way, there is a cracking site on Stanley's earlier incarnation here: hem.passagen.se/accringtonstanley/
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Post by ospelgull on Jun 6, 2009 13:12:54 GMT
You have a good memory Ospel. It was a fun away trip. I remember pimping your boys out to the local females. Would never have believed a place like Macclesfield could encourage such behaviour!!! The birds certainly like vikings! It was one of those topweekends that you'll never forget. First we drove up from Holland to Liverpool for a splendid fridaynight out! On saturdaymorning we picked up a Dutch Addicks fan at John Lennon Airport and we drove down to Macclesfield. After the game we met a Norwegian Macclesfield fan, I forgot his name but he was well known amongst the Silkmen fans. I think his name was Lars, what I know for sure was that he had a smashing looking bird on his side and I don't mean any of Mike Bateson's parrots. We also played a game of snooker(?) against you or the locals, of course the Dutch team won. We then walked to the town centre and that was where the Macc lass dropped her pants... I also remember that she did some stewarding at Moss Lane?
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