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Post by tufc01 on Mar 25, 2009 8:03:42 GMT
[glow=yellow,2,300]I did not hear what Bucks said on the radio on the way home,I just put on some happy music  I do find it strange if he has started blaming the crowd, he has always sung the praises of fans in any reports I have heard before.[/glow] I'm sure hearing fans singing we want woodies back may have wound him up a little and I'm also sure he may have had a few things shouted to him from those near the dugouts. I do think its not the time to start making remarks and having digs at fans, gates are poor and the home form not that good and not that entertaining, its an easy way to knock more of the gate, far better to look for the real reasons out on the pitch for the answers why fans failed to make much noise tonight. We listened to the interview on the way home. My daughter thought we were being told off, a bit like her headmaster does when the school has done something wrong. I have to say i did agree with him,it was just the way he put it across that will have wound people up. Some in the crowd were 'moaning' and shouting of abuse after about 5 minutes.There was very little support all night. Whilst I appreciate that the team did little after the first 20 minutes to raise spirits, but isn't the point of the home crowd to try and help raise the team? by supporting them, not deriding them. Buckle must be glad that we have more away games than home ones left, even the players look more relaxed away from home. Not only has he sung the praises of the fans after the last few away games, but after the Northwich & Altrincham games he encouraged the players to come right over to the away fans to show their appreciation. I appreciate that we did win both of those games and some will argue that he only did it because of that. |
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Post by tufc01 on Mar 25, 2009 8:06:02 GMT
kingpin I thought it was Hodges myself at the time and merse will say something here , [glow=yellow,2,300]but I was talking to someone, I did see it happen, I asked two people who made the mistake and they both said Nico.[/glow] Nico did OK doing his defensive duties and not all his balls into the box and going to be perfect. He did have a short spell a while back,when I felt his delivery was not as good as we all know it can be,but for a while now it has been back to its best, only last night I felt it was just below his normal standard. Apologies Dave. I was one of those who thought it was Nico.  |
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Post by jerry on Mar 25, 2009 8:11:53 GMT
Roscoe made a point of coming to the popside cupping his ears after he scored, making a point to those who were on his back for the whole game. Unfortunately, his goal (or the other nine he has scored this season!) didn't stop the constant criticism.
What is it with the popside and wingers? Carlisle got dogs abuse earlier in the season and Zebroski was a constant target last season.
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Post by chelstongull on Mar 25, 2009 8:57:11 GMT
Being a half-empty type bloke in his forties I was that fed up with the first half performance that I had to pop into Boots & Laces for a beer. I think the negative out way the positives last night - no way was that a performance of a team hoping to catch the league leaders. All clubs struggling at or near the foot of the table are fighting for their lives but we never seemed to test Grays and appeared to struggle against Northwich. I don't think we have (opinion not based on last nights performance) the team that will do well in the play offs.  |
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Post by rjdgull on Mar 25, 2009 9:56:51 GMT
And yet, some of our best performances have come against the better sides in this division - Stevenage, Histon, Mansfield etc..... We are actually averaging two points away from home (The Dave Shaw minimum performance level ;D) and I but can't help think that the general negativity from some parts of the crowd is having a tangible affect on our performances at home!!! Does Wembley count as an away game...  Certainly a below par performance with a soft goal conceded. Not sure if the long ball could have been headed away prior to Hodges getting into difficulty there? Had to smile at the lads getting back late from their half time beverage admitting ruefully that they had missed both goals  |
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Post by Fonda on Mar 25, 2009 12:36:17 GMT
That 'performance' highlights exactly why if any team is going to catch Burton, it will be Cambridge and not us. Whilst we are a match for any team in this division on our day, our performances at home against sides we should beat, have been frankly dreadful. Is that down to the tactics - and our inability to force games when the onus is on us to attack (Liverpool in disguise?), or perhaps the players are unable to handle any level of expectancy? Whatever it might be (and apparently those of us that turn up aren't helping?), it will ultimately ensure the Play-Offs are our only hope. The game was completely non-desript. I can't actually remember anything noteworthy to write about the actual performance (apart from Roscoe's fine finish - when will people get off his back?) - a less memorable game of football you will rarely see. Our midfield didn’t function at all. The left side of our defence was frighteningly bad. And we offered virtually no threat up-front whatsoever (even Benners had a shocker). Was it just a bad night at the office, or are there more deep concerns? Manse omitted again (can we put the ‘rested’ suggestion to bed now), is that affecting others? A stalwart defender dispensed with, a fellow POTY contender suddenly out of favour too. What exactly is going on? Benyon and Hargreaves, two players that even when not playing well, will run through brick walls for the cause to inspire those around them were strangely subdued. It wasn’t just the performance that was lacking, it was evidently the desire too. And that’s pretty unforgiveable. Why wasn’t Thompson on the bench? The kind of player that can be introduced to ‘up the tempo’ and cajole those around him? How many strikers and wingers do you need as replacements? We need Manse re-introduced at the earliest opportunity. Hodges looks to be missing the steadying influence of Woodsie because he was shambolic. Hargreaves wasn’t snapping into the tackles he usually does, and didn’t provide the driving force we need. As for criticism of the crowd? I really fear the problems are elsehwhere. I think alienating the few of us still turning up on a weekly basis is unlikely to help at all. There has always appeared a slight arrogance about the way Bucks goes about his job. It might be time for him to start admitting his own mistakes, because his continued refusal to do so is getting tiresome. I don't think there's any justification in criticisng those that made the effort to get there - certainly not for any 'lack of atmosphere' anyway. Where does the blame really lie for sub-2000 attendances? There doesn't appear to be any acknowledgement that it is ultimately his job, and that of his players to provide enough excitment and entertainment to inspire the crowd into noise. If the team are struggling (but working hard!), it is our responsibility to try and help them for sure, but when the performance is as flat as that, he has no right to expect anything more. If he heard particular things he found distasteful, i can understand his frustration to a degree, but to lay any amount of blame for such a bad performance on a flat atmosphere is completely unjustified. EDIT: Nearly forgot, nice to meet the infamous Mr Dave R last night.  |
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Post by ali on Mar 25, 2009 14:29:38 GMT
After having a little while to think about last night this is my opinion on the game and the players.
Sills - played well while he was on, got his usual flick ons, can look a little lazy sometimes, not going in for the ball but waiting for it, but it was a shame he had to be subsituted.
Benyon - worked hard, didn't seem to get anywhere but another day he would
Dsane - frustrating, can't quite work him out? Great goal.
Wroe - ok, looked a bit tired, really think we should try Steve Adams to give Wroe or Hargreaves a rest at least as a sub.
Hargreaves - looked a bit tired, but diving around as normal trying to get the ball.
Carlisle - played well
Robertson - not a right back, need Mansell back as soon as possible, can't push it though if it is his hamstring.
Hodges - not played well since he was injured, needs to adjust playing with Toddy
Todd - played ok.
Nico - poor free kicks and corners, would have nice to see him have a few more throw ins which we did not seem to get many of last night, would have been a cracking goal from the free kick if it wasn't for a great save.
Beavon - not much to do
Green - very pacy, should have started instead of Benyon
Stevens - played well, fast and got a great cross in at one point, should have been bought on earlier.
All in all I think a fair but frustrating result against a team fighting for their lives and who played quite well for a bottom four team. This was never going to be an easy game and we have at least kept our unbeaten run going.
Steve Woods Chants - RIDICULOUS, GET OVER IT, he has gone, it makes me laugh hearing these chants from certain individuals. They were hardly supportive of him when he was there. The team came over to applaud the popside and all they heard was Kumbaya Steve Woods, thats encouraging isn;t it (NOT).
Anywas roll on Saturday and three points against Mansfield.
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Post by mickyflash on Mar 25, 2009 14:37:09 GMT
Firstly, apologies for my absence over the last month or so, but after many redundancies at work I find myself with more work and stress on my hands than I know what to do with, not that I’m complaining, my job is safe (for now) and touch wood I think I might well be on top of it again! I have tried whole heartedly to keep up with the forum during this time and it is nice to see that it is not as easy to do as it used to be. (Congratulations Dave R)
Work being how it has meant that the Barrow game last week was the first game I have missed at Plainmoor this season, which the boys typically went on to win in style. (by all accounts) This meant I was eagerly anticipating last nights game with an excitement that I haven’t felt for a long time in the build up to a league match. Unfortunately I didn’t enjoy last night at all.
The performance itself was dyer and yet again we lacked any kind of imagination. We missed Sills badly when he went off, he makes the very best out of some very poor opportunities. Benyon and Green looked like they had only just met each other with no Idea of how to play together upfront.
Our midfield looked Transparent, with holes that the Grays midfield exploited well, there was no composure in the centre of the park at all last nigh just little flicks that didn’t stand any chance of reaching their attempted destination because everything appears to be so rushed, at Least with Adams in the side we are going to keep possession of the ball. In all seriousness I would like to ask if anybody can remember the last time we had a great piece of possession football that split the opposition defence and resulted in a great finish from one of our strikers. Or do they only do that when I’m not there?? ;D we rely so heavily on set pieces with what seems to be so little movment or quality in the box
Nicky Wroe is such a talent with an exceptional first touch that creates space for himself but at the same time I find him so frustrating he clearly has the vision of far better player than he actually is.
We missed Mansells wing back play, but I don’t want to be too harsh on ‘Robbo’ who did his Centre back role well, just on the right side of the Defence. Hodges got caught out time and time again as he has done regularly recently and maybe its time we saw a Todd/Ellis partnership at the back.
Roscoe and Carsile did well at times and went missing at times too, the abuse Roscoe is taking is becoming laughable now, He is by no means my favourite player and I know he did not have the best of games, his ball control can be improved to be polite but you have to ask why he bothers, he scored a peach of a goal only to be harassed DURING the goal celebration; with a chant of “can you do that every week?” Is it just me or didn’t he do that last week and don’t we have him to thank for the 3 points we gained after last weeks visit to Northwich Victoria? Another comment of “anybody can cut inside and shoot” well can they?? Hes the only one out there doing it at the moment!!
So now Im on my way home and both the team and the crowd has pi***d me off, I haven’t enjoyed my evening at all and im asking my self if I should renew my season ticket next year or if I should give these sh***y Tuesday night games a miss. Only to hear Mr Buckle’s thoughts on the game, now I agree with him to an extent, but the atmosphere at the ground is not the be all and end all, the lads still have to put in a performance. And the overriding factor that seemed to be missing last night was desire, did anyone really looked like they fort tooth and nail last night to win? Elliot Benyon looked like he had just put his kit on at the final whistle. And no matter how many people turn up and what they sing or say during the 90 mins a lack of desire or effort is inexcusable. And as Mr Buckle deems it fitting to critique my performance as a supporter last night may I suggest to him that a handy way of uplifting a board crowd is to make a substitution or two, the fact that everybody within the playing side of the club seems happy with this kind of perfomance is exactly the reason why Plainmoor was so quiet last night.
And in case your wondering, will I renew my season ticket next year???
Course I will
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Post by merse on Mar 25, 2009 16:18:12 GMT
That 'performance' highlights exactly why if any team is going to catch Burton, it will be Cambridge and not us. Whilst we are a match for any team in this division on our day, our performances at home against sides we should beat, have been frankly dreadful.  Did you attend the last two visits to Cambridge Fonda? If you did, you will have your answer as to the poor accumulation of points from home games. Cambridge's fans are simply magnificent, inspiring their team with noise, good humour and colour. Ours in comparison are quiet, ill humoured and little more than a bunch of dissident chavs at times. There's a lot of growing up to do around OUR football club and it's support I'm afraid and the whole situation is becoming an embarrassment and depressing. A growing element (both at games and in the local press) seem hell bent on destroying morale, displaying an arrogance that betrays ignorance of the very league we play in; and will ultimately drive decent players away from the club. Who the f**k would want to be Chris Zebroski, Roscoe Dsane or Wayne Carlisle playing in front of that bunch of retards week in week out? Who the hell would want to give them the pleasure of winning promotion for THEM after getting treated like that?..................and as for wanting bigger crowds: Just who would even want to be amongst an embarrassing heap of shit like many of those who go to the home games? I certainly have lost all appetite for travelling down for anything this season once my family situation allows, and if I feel like that with my love for the club is it any wonder the gates are stuck below two thousand? |
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Post by Fonda on Mar 25, 2009 18:31:55 GMT
It's becoming increasingly evident there are some questionable types among our support base, but don't make the mistake of tarring all of the match-going fans with the same brush Merse. Those that hurl abuse at Carlisle and Dsane are a different set of 'supporters' completely from the 'chavs' i think - generally speaking, supposedly 'mature' adults - certainly those on Rosco's back last night were. We do seem to have an idiot contingent - most clubs have to some degree i imagine, but these sweeping generalisations which seem to be en vogue, don't help anybody. Perhaps those that aren't there, but deem themselves fit to criticise those that are, would like to come along and show us bumpkins how to behave? Evidently, en mass, we have no idea.
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Post by atheringtongull on Mar 25, 2009 19:03:39 GMT
Having only just been able to get to the Forum to read the comments about last night's game, I have to say that I agree with most of what has been said by those WHO WERE AT THE GAME. For people who weren't there to criticise the fans for "getting on players' backs" should have seen the pathetic performance by most of the team. As for Dsane, he was simply terrible. His goal was a complete fluke. His shot a goal was not a strong powerful strike as has been suggested. It was a rather weak shot in the direction of the goal which the goalkeeper did not see until late. Apart from that he did absolutely nothing of note in the whole game. He showed a complete lack of enthusiasm and effort and gave away several pointless free kicks.
The truth is Gray's were more skillful, quicker to the ball, showed more effort and desire, passed the ball better and in fact possibly deserved to win. They had a fairly easy chance to make it 2 - 0 before halftime. They are not the only team from the lower reaches of the league to come here and outplay us this season.
Hodges had nightmare of a game (not for the first time recently) and it's time Ellis was given a chance, although if Mansell was at fullback Robertson or Ellis would do instead of Hodges.
The only spark came from Stevens when he came on as sub. Enough has been said by others about the poor performances by the rest.
Comments have been made about the poor support given by the supporters, but although football is different in some respects, this is, after all, meant to be entertainment. And last night entertainmant it certainly wasn't. Perhaps the Cambridge fans, who Merse uses as an example, have actually got something to get excited about.
At least one thing was apparent last night. Buckle does have a Plan B. It's "punt the ball further upfield than in Plan A". So many times the ball was just hoofed right up to the edge of their penalty area it was unbelievable.
I believe I read somewhere that Buckle was going to concentrate in training on us "getting the second ball". Well, I'm afraid it was a failure. We were beaten to the ball on countless occasions. At times some players were virtually standing there waiting for the ball to come to them. Not good enough.
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Post by jmgull on Mar 25, 2009 19:22:36 GMT
As for Dsane, he was simply terrible. His goal was a complete fluke. His shot a goal was not a strong powerful strike as has been suggested. It was a rather weak shot in the direction of the goal which the goalkeeper did not see until late. ...Jeez i've read some tosh in my life  , that would make the top 10 no doubt. Were you still in the bar? I think one of Roscoe's "knockers" has just popped out ;D |
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 25, 2009 19:30:38 GMT
I arrived back at my seat, was having a really quick chat with the bloke beside me and heard a roar... so I can't give any opinion on the goal cos I bloody missed it... Of course, all those around me told me it was the goal of the season!!
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Post by Dave on Mar 25, 2009 19:36:57 GMT
I arrived back at my seat, was having a really quick chat with the bloke beside me and heard a roar... so I can't give any opinion on the goal cos I bloody missed it... Of course, all those around me told me it was the goal of the season!
, that would make the top 10 no doubt.