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Post by mickyflash on Jul 26, 2008 19:20:21 GMT
Colin Lee would be our contact between the two clubs but it was very much a tongue in cheek statement.
On paper the squad looks strong and we have overall good competition for places but there are a couple of blemishes which I hope will be ironed out as the team start to gel.
Right now I think we are missing Lee Phillips, mainly for his work rate, he did so much running for Tim Sills, making Sills a better player when he had Lee as his strike partner. At the moment it looks as if Green and Sills are playing as two individuals rather than one partnership, as their understanding begins to grow I am sure (or do I hope) the goals will come.
My other concern, Is what happens if Todd picks up an injury? Hargreaves, Woods and Ellis all only just pass as good center half's at this level when they are playing with Todd, without him are we really comfortable with 2 out of those three lining up together before a game(s). I am almost certain that PB signed Brough as a center half, and has already shown he is not up to it, leaving us weak at the back, and an abundance of Defensive Mid-fielders
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Post by Dave on Jul 26, 2008 19:29:34 GMT
Micky they say there is no fool like and old fool. but this old fool, forgot about our very own Colin Lee. I had hoped that Green would in fact go out wide, like he did at Newton and would be putting balls in for Sills. Its my view that Sills will stand more chance of scoring in the air than on the floor.
I also expected to see Green run, take on defenders and get plenty of his own shots away, do you not think that he will.
We missed Todd last season for a while, yes he makes the odd mistake, but I think he is the best we got at the back. I feel that Buckle also worries about not having Todd in the side and thats why we wants to keep Hargreaves, learning how to play there.
Last season, well the start anyway, defense was not such a problem, as we were scoring freely. If as it seem now, we may be a little goal shy, then we may just find we will not be winning the games we would expect to.
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Post by merse on Jul 26, 2008 19:29:52 GMT
That is because Woods is a super fit top professional football player, who we are so Lucky to have in our squad and why he is the captain   "Our" Woods was sat on his arse this afternoon just like I was! I thought he was made captain for his "tossing" skills ;D Hey, who saw Bernie Ecclestone being interviewed by fellow midget Willie Carson on BBCs racing coverage this afternoon? Midway through the interview he bent down to pick up a 5 pence piece he had spied on the ground, then as he walked away from the cameras he saw another one and guess what; one of the country's richest men bent down to pick up that one too. I reckon someone was winding him up. |
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Jul 26, 2008 19:33:30 GMT
OK, but you don't really think that Hargreaves will start as center back, do you. I really don't think he is playing to well in that position. Sorry to upset Merse, but I would rather see Woods play there. For me, Hargreaves should play in the midfield but Bucks keeps playing him at centre half. Therefore, I think there is a strong possibility that he will start the season at centre half. Personnally, i think i'd rather Woods at the back but why would Buckle keep playing him there if he did'nt seriously believe that he had a chance of becoming an important first team centre back? |
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Post by Dave on Jul 26, 2008 19:40:25 GMT
OK, but you don't really think that Hargreaves will start as center back, do you. I really don't think he is playing to well in that position. Sorry to upset Merse, but I would rather see Woods play there. For me, Hargreaves should play in the midfield but Bucks keeps playing him at centre half. Therefore, I think there is a strong possibility that he will start the season at centre half. Personnally, i think i'd rather Woods at the back [glow=yellow,2,300]but why would Buckle keep playing him there if he did'nt seriously believe that he had a chance of becoming an important first team centre back[/glow]? Because I believe Bucks feels he has the midfield covered and worries more about losing Todd etc so would need to make sure he could play Hargreaves there. He really should be able to adapt to that position, maybe given a few more games, he will look better playing that role. |
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Jul 26, 2008 19:44:09 GMT
For me, Hargreaves should play in the midfield but Bucks keeps playing him at centre half. Therefore, I think there is a strong possibility that he will start the season at centre half. Personnally, i think i'd rather Woods at the back [glow=yellow,2,300]but why would Buckle keep playing him there if he did'nt seriously believe that he had a chance of becoming an important first team centre back[/glow]? Because I believe Bucks feels he has the midfield covered and worries more about losing Todd etc so would need to make sure he could play Hargreaves there. He really should be able to adapt to that position, maybe given a few more games, he will look better playing that role. Of course, he does still have Brough but he has been rather unimpressive so far, perhaps he's already given up on him at the back. Then there is Ellis who has a lot to learn, though i think he can develop into a reasonable centre back. |
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Post by mickyflash on Jul 26, 2008 19:47:34 GMT
Micky they say there is no fool like and old fool. but this old fool, forgot about our very own Colin Lee. I had hoped that [glow=yellow,2,300]Green would in fact go out wide, like he did at Newton[/glow] and would be putting balls in for Sills. Its my view that Sills will stand more chance of scoring in the air than on the floor. I also expected to see [glow=yellow,2,300]Green run, take on defenders and get plenty of his own shots away, do you not think that he will[/glow]. We missed Todd last season for a while, yes he makes the odd mistake, but I think he is the best we got at the back. I feel that Buckle also worries about not having Todd in the side and thats why we wants to keep Hargreaves, learning how to play there. Last season, well the start anyway, defense was not such a problem, as we were scoring freely. If as it seem now, we may be a little goal shy, then we may just find we will not be winning the games we would expect to. It Sounds like you were hoping Green would be a direct replacement for Zebs? I Think we will miss Zebs (well the Zebs before Christmas anyway!) I Think it was always going to be difficult for PB to replace him, In my opinion PB has gone about this is the signing of both Carayol & Green. Carayol to run at defenders, add an injection of pace to the midfield and cross the ball for Sills. Whereas I believe Green will be used more as a striker, he will run at defenders too and will score goals but I Think, from a more central position, hence Phillips found himself surplus to requirements. This is a new style of play for Sills, I hope it will click soon and the goals will come |
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Post by Dave on Jul 26, 2008 19:50:46 GMT
Ellis, I really don't understand. Did you feel like me , when he first came last season, that he looked good and I know at least I did, think, he would play at a much higher level. So what happened?
He seems now full of mistakes, does not look too confident, yes he is still young, but so was Williamson, when he came back on loan and look how he played. So the answer is get the forwards banging in lots of goals and except we will have some put past us.
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Post by mickyflash on Jul 26, 2008 19:52:55 GMT
I Would like to see Robertson given more of a chane at CH at least in pre season
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Post by Dave on Jul 26, 2008 20:48:58 GMT
I Would like to see Robertson given more of a chane at CH at least in pre season Yes I think I would as well, once again a player who when he first came, we all seemed to really rate him, then I think he got injured and never regained his place. Maybe he could start a few games and impress Buckle, I think he would be the best pick of the bunch over Ellis, or Hargreaves. |
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Post by tufc01 on Jul 26, 2008 20:54:03 GMT
I agree with most of what you said although i was pretty impressed by the movement of Carlisle of the ball, he did lose it afew times today but i felt he was making some decent runs and looking to receive the ball. Chelsea dominated possession but of course play a very different way to anyone in the blue square. Therefore, i think it would be hard to take this game as an indication of how we will fare this season. Hopefully we can get one or two of these Chelsea guys on loan next season!  Anyway, it looks as though Bucks is pretty much fine tuning his starting eleven and I think todays line up is close to what it will be against Histon. I may of been a bit harsh on Wayne, but only because Ive been so impressed with him so far this season, yes he did work hard and was always willing to receive the ball, he certainly saw more of the ball than Danny did. I was thinking the exact same thing about the loans I agree with everything here. I too thought Carlisle had an average game, but thats because for me he has been our best player of the pre-season, he has already set the bar high and today he did not get past their players very often. That said he always finds space and was always after the ball. I think we are going to see a lot more from him this season, i think we have a special player here. |
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Post by Dave on Jul 26, 2008 21:16:35 GMT
Can't argue with you on you views about Carlisle, tufc01. he is a player I have always liked and was surprised Exeter let him go. I think he could well be in the running for the player of the season award. Every player will get an of day at times, but sure he will be a big fans favorite.
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Post by Dave on Jul 26, 2008 21:22:53 GMT
Micky they say there is no fool like and old fool. but this old fool, forgot about our very own Colin Lee. I had hoped that [glow=yellow,2,300]Green would in fact go out wide, like he did at Newton[/glow] and would be putting balls in for Sills. Its my view that Sills will stand more chance of scoring in the air than on the floor. I also expected to see [glow=yellow,2,300]Green run, take on defenders and get plenty of his own shots away, do you not think that he will[/glow]. We missed Todd last season for a while, yes he makes the odd mistake, but I think he is the best we got at the back. I feel that Buckle also worries about not having Todd in the side and thats why we wants to keep Hargreaves, learning how to play there. Last season, well the start anyway, defense was not such a problem, as we were scoring freely. If as it seem now, we may be a little goal shy, then we may just find we will not be winning the games we would expect to. It Sounds like you were hoping Green would be a direct replacement for Zebs? I Think we will miss Zebs (well the Zebs before Christmas anyway!) I Think it was always going to be difficult for PB to replace him, In my opinion PB has gone about this is the signing of both Carayol & Green. Carayol to run at defenders, add an injection of pace to the midfield and cross the ball for Sills. Whereas I believe Green will be used more as a striker, he will run at defenders too and will score goals but I Think, from a more central position, hence Phillips found himself surplus to requirements. This is a new style of play for Sills, I hope it will click soon and the goals will come No did not see green as a replacement for Zebs, but in the games I have seen him play, we ran out wide in the channels to make space for passes and put some good balls in from there. Yes he will play central, but he has showed, that if balls are aimed into the channels, he has the pace to get there, then do something with the ball. |
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Post by capitalgull on Jul 26, 2008 23:14:34 GMT
I would love to see a couple of those Chelsea lads playing for us this season, but I would say it's about as long a longshot as Merse's mate Mark Cavendish winning the Tour de France in the next 10 years.
Most of those kids would be worth millions in this day and age, and loaning them out to a BSP side is akin to saying they are never going to make it as a top flight professional. And some of the petulance shown by a few of the foreign kids would be enough to put me off them anyway.
Having said that, I would happily welcome the red-haired midfielder, who I believe might have been Woods, and the No 11 from the first half, Sawyer, to Plainmoor if Chelsea decide they want to give them a chance of some first-team football at our level. I just wonder if Sawyer is the winger we were linked with last season, when we missed out on one just before the end of the final transfer window of the season.
I actually thought Hargreaves was far more comfortable at centre-half today than he was against Bristol Rovers, despite the increased pace shown by the Chelsea forwards. And yes I think he and Todd will be the choice on opening day, with Steve Woods no better than fourth choice (I was in that same car park as Merse as well, by the way, in case anyone wants to ask LOLOLOL!)
Wroe continues to impress me, and I think in partnership with Thompson, this midfield will provide chances galore. Carlisle was good in the first half when he played on the wing, but Bucks changed the formation a little in the second half, from what I could ascertain, as Thompson played in front of the back four to try and stop Chelsea's Woods rampaging forward so much. That meant Wroe, Carayol and Carlisle playing far more narrow with Carlisle in more of a CM role, Wroe on his right, and Carayol on the left.
I am far happier with Hodges at LB than Nicholson, and Hodges also proved he can play CB at a push when he moved inside after Hargreaves was withdrawn. Mansell was also excellent considering the speed of his opponents, and the barracking he got for the first foul when the Chelsea players were shouting for a red card was ridiculous - the second foul was just funny, coming milliseconds after a lengthy telling off from a referee who had no idea what constituted a push and what was a dive!
My real disappointment of the day was Matt Green. I thought he was excellent for 45 minutes against Newton, pretty average for 45 minutes against Rovers, and close to rubbish for 90 minutes today. He was too easily brushed off the ball by opponents with little more size than him, showed nothing of the burst of speed he is meant to have, and frequently failed to realise that Sills was winning absolutely everything in the air when a couple of the flick-ons would have produced goal-scoring chances had he reacted. I just hope he proves better when the season kicks off for real, although right now if I was picking the team he would be behind Benyon - here I risk the wrath of the Steve Woods Fan Club, who still has yet to admit to finding my musical taste locked up in the back of his wagon!!
I've typed enough now - I need some sleep!
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Post by tufc01 on Jul 27, 2008 0:21:00 GMT
I[glow=yellow,2,300] would love to see a couple of those Chelsea lads playing for us this season[/glow], but I would say it's about as long a longshot as Merse's mate Mark Cavendish winning the Tour de France in the next 10 years. Most of those kids would be worth millions in this day and age, and loaning them out to a BSP side is akin to saying they are never going to make it as a top flight professional. And some of the petulance shown by a few of the foreign kids would be enough to put me off them anyway. Having said that, I would happily welcome the red-haired midfielder, who I believe might have been Woods, and the No 11 from the first half, Sawyer, to Plainmoor if Chelsea decide they want to give them a chance of some first-team football at our level. I just wonder if Sawyer is the winger we were linked with last season, when we missed out on one just before the end of the final transfer window of the season. [glow=yellow,2,300]I actually thought Hargreaves was far more comfortable at centre-half today than he was against Bristol Rovers[/glow], despite the increased pace shown by the Chelsea forwards. And yes I think he and Todd will be the choice on opening day, with Steve Woods no better than fourth choice (I was in that same car park as Merse as well, by the way, [glow=red,2,300]in case anyone wants to ask LOLOLOL!)[/glow] Wroe continues to impress me, and I think in partnership with Thompson, this midfield will provide chances galore. Carlisle was good in the first half when he played on the wing, but Bucks changed the formation a little in the second half, from what I could ascertain, as Thompson played in front of the back four to try and stop Chelsea's Woods rampaging forward so much. That meant Wroe, Carayol and Carlisle playing far more narrow with Carlisle in more of a CM role, Wroe on his right, and Carayol on the left. [glow=yellow,2,300]I am far happier with Hodges at LB than Nicholson[/glow], and Hodges also proved he can play CB at a push when he moved inside after Hargreaves was withdrawn. Mansell was also excellent considering the speed of his opponents, and the barracking he got for the first foul when the Chelsea players were shouting for a red card was ridiculous - the second foul was just funny, coming milliseconds after a lengthy telling off from a referee who had no idea what constituted a push and what was a dive! My real disappointment of the day was Matt Green. I thought he was excellent for 45 minutes against Newton, pretty average for 45 minutes against Rovers, and close to rubbish for 90 minutes today. He was too easily brushed off the ball by opponents with little more size than him, showed nothing of the burst of speed he is meant to have, and frequently failed to realise that Sills was winning absolutely everything in the air when a couple of the flick-ons would have produced goal-scoring chances had he reacted. I just hope he proves better when the season kicks off for real, although right now if I was picking the team he would be behind Benyon - here I risk the wrath of the Steve Woods Fan Club, who still has yet to admit to finding my musical taste locked up in the back of his wagon!! I've typed enough now - I need some sleep! 1. I would like to see their number 10, the number 7 whose goal capped a great game for him, but the one i would really like to see would be the number 4, not least because we need a centre half, not a CM playing CH, but also because he was my MoM. He controlled their back 4, took just about every ball from their keeper, distributed it well and i don't remember him giving the ball away. He also broke down any remnants of an attack that we had. I should have noted their names really because there is a chance we might see them in their first team in a few years?? 2. Agree, i think he is starting to look the part. 3. I'm asking. I'm intrigued. I don't like him. He will be at Tiverton or Truro come January. 4. Hodges brings more to the team. Defends & tackles better, distributes the ball better, has a sweeter left foot and links the play well, you can tell he has just been playing championship football. Another great addition to the squad. |
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