merse
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Post by merse on May 20, 2009 2:53:42 GMT
Picking up on what Merse said about humility, I was listening to the local Oxford radio station on Saturday lunchtime. They had an interview with Hargreaves followed by a football phone in, and pretty well all the callers reckoned that promotion for Oxford was a done deal already, and the only challenge they had was from Luton! Remember them saying something similar last season! Fine, let 'em think that...........................and then possibly sit and squirm as they "underachieve" yet again. When was the last time the Conference was won by the "biggest club" in it's membership? ...................and for that matter who is the "biggest club" and how do you quantify "biggest"? Being "biggest" doesn't guarantee anything, being leanest and fittest, best organised and managed (yes Davethegull!) most skilled and focused ~ and last but not least fairly fortunate if fate proves ultimately to favour you rather than clobber you. Yes, sometimes the "biggest" will prevail, but it certainly won't be for the mere fact that they are the "biggest"!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2009 21:08:12 GMT
How would our new regime go down in history? “During the relentless decline of the club, there was a brief period of hope just after we were relegated from the League. The new Board threw money at the club and achieved some decent results, but just missed out on promotion twice. Crowds fell away and the Board was left with no choice but to return to severe cost-cutting and the downward spiral continued ….”. In the run up to Sunday I had the horror thought of us losing to Cambridge on penalties and never getting as close again. In that event I imagine the outcome would have been just as Jon speculates. Jon also alludes to Hereford's long struggle in returning to the Football League and that must now be the parallel which haunts the minds of Cambridge supporters. Following Sunday I made a list of ten clubs - Luton, Chester, Cambridge, Stevenage, Kidderminster, Oxford, Wrexham, Rushden, Mansfield and York - which would probably claim to have serious Football League aspirations. Do the maths and you'll see that at best - barring structural changes of course - at least two of those clubs will still be in the Conference in 2013/14. That's a measure of what we've achieved and of its significance. As Winston would say, “This is not the end. It’s not the beginning of the end, but it might just be the end of the beginning” Indeed. And I suppose you always fear the consortium and the well-being of the club has a limited shelf-life. Individuals may tire of their involvement, some members may find themselves either unwilling - or unable - to continue to invest time or money and, in the wider context, fate will surely play its hand. My hope, however, is that - over the years - it becomes an evolving regime which is replenished as members leave and replacements arrive on the scene. In that sense it's why I'm much happier that the club is group-owned rather than in the hands of Mr Big (or a Mr Getting Smaller). One final observation - and my apologies if it's been said already - is that all sixteen players on Sunday were at the club at the start of the season. Without injuries, it's true that Bevan and Sturrock would have most likely featured - and let's not forget their contributions - but that's a tremendous testimony to stability. And, although players have come and gone over the two seasons, the final line-up still featured a strong core of players - Nicholson, Todd, Sills, Benyon, Hargreaves - who were signed in that hectic period during the summer of 2007 when the club was being transformed in front of our eyes. The amount of good work done during those few weeks will always deserve to be remembered.
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Post by Fonda on May 22, 2009 10:08:43 GMT
Firstly, it means that i was wrong. And i've literally never been as happy to be so!
We’re going back to the promised land – after only 2 years in the wilderness, and it feels good. Bucks did what he was given the task of doing, and I’m as grateful to him as everyone is for getting us there. It’s fair to say I had my doubts along the way – and maintain that some of the concerns I voiced were justified. But ultimately I didn’t believe he’d get us up, and he’s done it. I said all along I hoped he proved me wrong, and I’m obviously delighted he’s done so.
Our season started slowly and mistakes were made, but important lessons were evidently learned. Our football became more thoughtful and we posed a more varied threat to the opposition as the year went on. Few were as bad as us in the first few games, but I don’t think any were as good when we got things right. Bucks deserves all the credit for assembling such an excellent squad, and whilst he struggled early on to get the best from them, he persevered and reaped the benefits. We all reaped the benefits.
There have been problems along the way. Rumours of discontent within the dressing room, and high-profile fall-outs with respected players. But whatever our opinions on the way things have been done, the end justifies the means. The method has worked, and whilst it’s unfortunate for those that we’ve lost along the way, the success of the club was always of utmost importance to the manager.
I think a few individuals deserve special praise too. And it’s the experienced core of the team I’m referring to. I’ve been very vociferous over the last couple of seasons about giving more opportunity to the young players in the squad. There is some excellent young talent in our dressing room, and Wroe, Robbo and Benyon have taken the chances presented to them. But the real heroes have been the old guard. Toddy, who has had to overcome a serious illness to play his part. Sillsy, who played with a cracked cheek-bone and scored the decisive goal in the decisive game. And of course Greavsie, who more than anyone else dragged us through those last few games, and through will-power alone took us over the finishing line. Bucks put his faith in these players and they repaid him. They all deserve complete respect for the part they played.
And so we’ve escaped the abyss. Another season might very well have led to several more. More than 3 or 4 and we’d have become an ‘established’ non-league club and might never have returned – I honestly believe it was that important, and the players performed despite that pressure. With falling crowds, and reduced budgets, alongside more and more ‘big’ clubs falling out of the league, it was only going to get harder.
It’s good to be back.
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Post by aussie on May 22, 2009 12:39:21 GMT
Oh dear, humble pie time eh! At least your big enough to come on here and say what you have said, respect Fonda!
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Post by Dave on May 22, 2009 15:35:43 GMT
Hi Shane nice to see you back posting with us, I think many fears and worries you had were more than justified, but as you say at the end of the day what ever our views have been on such things as man management skills etc, Bucks delivered what we all wanted more than anything else.
I hope he enjoys to the full the great feel good feelings he will have now, I say that only because as we know a football manager is often only as good as his last result.
Leroy took us up and was our hero, but it did not take long for fans to turn on him and want him out. True he did play a part in his own downfall, but we must not forget he did not have the backing Bucks has had.
I do not think the good backing has always helped Bucks, by having far more we believe then other managers, the levels of expectations rise and then some unfairly expect more than what maybe can delivered.
Seeing Bucks on the bus holding the cup, has brought home even more just how well he has done and just what it really does all mean in the end. TUFC a league club again, will we ever get fed up of saying that? no not on your life.
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Post by longeatongull on May 22, 2009 16:21:52 GMT
Thanks Fonda for those words. I have to admit there were times during the season when you and a couple of others really were going for the jugular!!!!! I am delighted that you are back with a great honest post with great sentiments/thoughts. Dont forget we have to stay United!!!! Just a few more thoughts since last week: 1/Still smiling!!! 2/ Keep watching those goals---they seem to get better the more you watch them 3/Finally--keep thinking of those Cambridge fans standing on the roadside when we played Histon---baiting all and sundry---I bet they will be pleased to go back again next year ;D ;D ;D Have a great bank holiday Guys!!
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