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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2009 20:03:45 GMT
Another picture of Terry Venables which has a Torquay connection. Ken Brown was to join us from West Ham in 1967:  21st January 1965: English footballers Ken Brown (left) and Terry Venables playing football with a group of children in Bonham Road, Dagenham, the street where they were born. (Photo by Norman Quicke/Express/Getty Images) Ken Brown didn't appear in this snap of a Frank O'Farrell tutorial but he would have been at the club at the time:  O'Farrell and Malcolm Musgrove, later to be Torquay manager, during their time together at Manchester United:  Football, Manchester United's manager Frank O' Farrell with Malcolm Musgrove at Old Trafford (Photo by Bob Thomas/Getty Images) Finally, plenty of Torquay United connections in this one:  Sport, Football, England, pic: 1962, The West Ham United F,C, squad are pictured at their Chadwell Heath training ground, Back row L-R: John Lyall, Ken Brown, John Bond, Lawrie Leslie, Bill Lansdowne, Martin Peters, Bobby Moore, Middle row, L-R: Tony Scott, Phil Woosnam, Malcolm Musgrove, Johnny Byrne, Ian Crawford, John Dick, Front row L-R: Eddie Bovington, Alan Sealey, Joe Kirkup and Ronnie Boyce (Photo by Popperfoto/Getty Images) |
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Post by merse on Jan 10, 2009 20:42:50 GMT
 Only Venners was born in Dagenham, "Topper" Brown's a Forest Gate lad. Perhaps it was him who took the dressing room photo of the O'Farrell era, can anyone name the players? I can but won't spoil it unless anyone fails to post the names tonight. My overriding memory of Ken Brown was the day I was due at Plainmoor for some physiotherapy on an injury and he was out on the pitch stretched out on a sunbed topping up his tan. I was told it was in deference to his great age as the others were all working away behind the old mini stand on a weights programme! That picture is "so Dagenham"...................the whole area is one massive former council estate that grew up around the old village on heathland after WW2 and the "East End" moved in seemingly en bloc and the term "Corned Beef City" that came about (I believe) through there being a distinct lack of shops and the utilisation of delivery grocery vans from the Co-op who shifted tons of the stuff to the locals. The name has stuck to this day although Romford Gull refers to it as  "Shell Suit City"It's one of the great production line areas of pro' footballers and when I lived over there I discovered I was living in the same cul de sac that Jimmy Greaves was brought up in. My flat overlooked Parsloes Park and the Sunday morning football over there had to be seen to be believed.....................a really good standard and watched by some really big crowds. Islington, where I now live; is another and at my son's under 8 game today there were representatives of Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and Q.P.R..................those guys are well known to the organisers of the club he plays for and Chelsea even base one of their "development centres" at Cockfosters to cater for their North London proteges! One of my neighbours tells me he has worn out three cars in the six years he has been twice weekly ferrying his son (now 15) over to the Harlington (bordering Heathrow Airport) training ground of Q.P.R. where he has just learned he has been approved for a YTS place next September. When you watch these little fellers doing their "pass and move" drills, their "turn and shield" and their "Cruyff turns" you realise how football has progressed light years since I was an eight year old almost half a century ago!
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Post by Dave on Jan 10, 2009 20:50:02 GMT
When you watch these little fellers doing their "pass and move" drills, their "turn and shield" and their "Cruyff turns" you realise how football has progressed light years since I was an eight year old almost half a century ago! What is good merse, is that the kids are being taught how to play the game properly, you know what I mean, the way its meant to be played |
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Post by merse on Jan 10, 2009 21:17:01 GMT
What is good merse, is that the kids are being taught how to play the game properly, you know what I mean, the way its meant to be played I won't argue with that, but there again our parents brought us up NOT to have sex didn't they? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2009 21:35:43 GMT
That picture is "so Dagenham"...................the whole area is one massive former council estate that grew up around the old village on heathland after WW2 and the "East End" moved in seemingly en bloc and the term "Corned Beef City" that came about (I believe) through there being a distinct lack of shops and the utilisation of delivery grocery vans from the Co-op who shifted tons of the stuff to the locals. The name has stuck to this day although Romford Gull refers to it as "Shell Suit City"It's one of the great production line areas of pro' footballers and when I lived over there I discovered I was living in the same cul de sac that Jimmy Greaves was brought up in. My flat overlooked Parsloes Park and the Sunday morning football over there had to be seen to be believed.....................a really good standard and watched by some really big crowds. I had a fascinating afternoon in Dagenham earlier this season when I finally paid a visit to Dagenham & Redbridge (we're either never going to play them or we'll soon be meeting them year after year). It's one of several places once described as the " biggest council estate in Europe". In Dagenham's case 27,000 houses were built on the Becontree Estate between 1921 and 1932 as the best part of 100,000 people moved from the East End. If Wikipedia is to be trusted, other notable Dagenham natives include Dr George Carey (103rd Archbishop of Canterbury), Sir Alf Ramsey, Martin Peters, Sandie Shaw, Dudley Moore, Jim Peters (the marathon bloke), Tony Adams, John Terry (more a Barking boy), Captain James Cook (competing claims from North Yorkshire I'd imagine), Jason Leonard, Martin Gore (Depeche Mode) and...yes...the Dagenham Girl Pipers. |
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Post by merse on Jan 10, 2009 21:53:53 GMT
Jim Peters (The Marathon Man) used to play in goal for Dagenham FC before they became D&R...................totally bonkers as many keepers tend to be - he had to be doing the London Marathon in that deep sea diving suit complete with lead boots and brass helmet. I take it he has finished that one hasn't he? I'll add a couple more Dag'num players: Tony Cottee and Charly Dimmock.................sorry, Ray Parlour!
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Post by sam on Jan 12, 2009 12:40:20 GMT
Just got back from skiing and have now read this post. I wasn't in the bay during this time having been posted elsewhere. However, I can tell you the Wolves match was a smear on the operational capabilities of Devon & Cornwall Constabulary. The game should not have continued but I believe liaison took place during the match between Plainmoor officials, the referee and police to allow the game to continue becaue there was a greater fear that there would be serious public disorder if the match was abandoned. The Wolves supporters deserved their reputation and keeping them out of the bay for subsequent matches was correct. Remember the Wolves fan crashing through the roof of Scarboroughs stand in at their first game in the league. The same applies to Cardiff. A large following of scum. The police probably used the same tactic they did at the miners dispute a few years earlier when large groups of miners were prevented from entering areas to prevent a breach of the peace. Perhaps there was over reaction on occasions but having been involved front line policing at dozens of matches in the 70's and 80's, I can tell you the hooligan element brought the game of football into disrepute, hence the low crowds. Family atmosphere it was not. the police may have adapted a 'never again' policy after the infamous Wolves match. I am interested to see Dean Mooney mentioned. Is he a candidate for the worst player ever to pull on a Torquay United shirt. What Webb did bordered on criminal, dodgy dealings, dodgy fire, dodgy everything.
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Post by Jon on Jan 12, 2009 13:28:19 GMT
What Webb did bordered on criminal, dodgy dealings, dodgy fire, dodgy everything. Don't sit on the fence, Sam. Did you like Webby or not? |
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"Shell Suit City"