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Post by weathergull on Feb 17, 2009 20:38:03 GMT
Yes, a very good post indeed Dave.
Some time ago I was living ...ABROAD...with let us say restricted movements.
I could not get a great deal of access to the local papers, but when the occasion did arise it was straight to the English football results( thank goodness we weren't in the conference then ).
To say I was in deep shit at that time of my life would be putting it mildly, but thanks to a certain team called Torquay United, it made my life so much bearable.
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Post by chelstongull on Feb 17, 2009 20:38:49 GMT
(Argyle are currently 2 - 0 down to Palace) Tee He, now 3 nil down ;D
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Post by Fonda on Feb 17, 2009 20:41:22 GMT
An individuals 'level of support' shouldn't be judged by how many games they go to, or how much money they spend in the club shop - everyone's circumstances are different. If you're sad when we lose and happy when we win, that's good enough. Those that support every decision made by the management aren't better than those that dare to question either. We all want what's best for the club at the end of the day. The fact we see things differently is quite natural.
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Post by ali on Feb 17, 2009 20:47:48 GMT
'Those that support every decision made by the management aren't better than those that dare to question either. We all want what's best for the club at the end of the day. The fact we see things differently is quite natural'. Absolutely agree
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Post by Dave on Feb 17, 2009 20:58:13 GMT
Phil_Ossifer I would hope fans would question any decision made by the management, if they felt it was the wrong one and may have cost a result. Do they not say that when you no longer can be bothered to argue with your love one,( Not that Carol and I ever argue as we have no need) that you no longer care, fans do care and that is why they will question, I do not believe we have fans who are just happy to be led blind down any alley.
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Post by forevertufc on Feb 17, 2009 21:01:47 GMT
what sort of supporter are you ? ,the answer i am a 40 year old bloke live in newton abbot ,season ticket holder along with my 11 year son and spend money in the club shop,we both are very alike ,passionate go loopy when we score ride on a crest of a wave when the team win,and their no talking to us when we lose.my partner laughs she watches us walk past the lounge window and knows how the team have done before we walk through the front door. i agree with the above sentiments about Paul bastard don't know the guy personally ,however have gone up to him many a time in the ground and had a chat he got time for us all lovely bloke, big respect to those who travel not just the exiles who drive for hours down to torquay but to the locals who go all over the country watching the gulls play. what makes a great supporter in my view some one who has torquay united in their heart ,i often hear locals who don't go to the games being called scab fans ,what about the guy who does not have a job right now or has large family commitments does not mean they don't kick every ball or feel the highs and lows we do ,or is the season ticket holder who calls for buckle's head after every defeat any less of a fan against the likes of me who does not. for me any fan ,any fan who believes ,trust's ,and has torquay united in their heart through think and thin has every right to call themselves a proud fan of the mighty torquay united
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Post by Fonda on Feb 17, 2009 21:18:07 GMT
Phil_Ossifer I would hope fans would question any decision made by the management, if they felt it was the wrong one and may have cost a result. Do they not say that when you no longer can be bothered to argue with your love one,( Not that Carol and I ever argue as we have no need) that you no longer care, fans do care and that is why they will question, I do not believe we have fans who are just happy to be led blind down any alley. I wouldn't suggest anyone is leading us 'down a blind alley', but i do believe we have supporters that see no wrong. There are plenty that won't have a critical word uttered against the management - under any circumstances. Some believe to question is to be disloyal.
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Post by Dave on Feb 17, 2009 21:26:33 GMT
You may be right Phil, but as someone who has once been labeled as anti Buckle I will not include myself in any list what I won't do is jump around and demand he gets sacked every time we lose a game and while I question his man management and team selection, he is the manager and if we are going to support the club, surely we need to give the manager support. If the board still back him and believe he is the man to get the team back into the league, as we can't change him ourselves, lets ride with it and who knows at the end of this season fans may just be writing his name in the history books.
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Post by Fonda on Feb 17, 2009 21:31:56 GMT
You may be right Phil, but as someone who has once been labeled as anti Buckle I will not include myself in any list what I won't do is jump around and demand he gets sacked every time we lose a game and while I question his man management and team selection, he is the manager and if we are going to support the club, surely we need to give the manager support. If the board still back him and believe he is the man to get the team back into the league, as we can't change him ourselves, lets ride with it and who knows at the end of this season fans may just be writing his name in the history books. I quite agree. I might have some reservations about his ultimate abilities, but he's the man the consortium believe to be the one to lead us. Demanding his sacking every time we lose a match (as some do) is as ridiculous to me as suggesting he's something akin to Fergie (as others seem to). Somehow this thread is turning into a thread about the quality of the manager. My point was, just as those that go to games aren't 'better' supporters than those that don't, so those that back every decision of the manager aren't better than those that question the odd decision from time to time.
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Post by stewart on Feb 17, 2009 21:39:17 GMT
In response to Dave's question:
Having lived in Paignton as a child and teenager, I first walked into Plainmoor in 1954 and missed very few home matches until 1969, when my desire for a decent job took me to Southampton.
There I have stayed for the past 40 years, but I have managed to get to more than half the matches at home, and a fair number away, in all that time.
I am used to Torquay United being a Football League club and it is my dearest wish that they recapture that status. I simply cannot reconcile watching the likes of Lewes and Salisbury City with memories of seeing Aston Villa and Blackburn Rovers run out at Plainmoor.
I am over the moon whenever we win and disappointed when we lose but I am at an age when.......................
I like to view the game impassively and watch opposing players; I do not agree that winning at all costs is everything; I do not agree that entertainment is secondary to winning; I do not like chanting, singing stupid songs or banging of drums; I do not like segregation and wish that it were not necessary; I am indifferent to the effect that managers have on results.
Make of that what you will !!
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Post by Dave on Feb 17, 2009 21:39:26 GMT
I fully agree with those views Phil and as I said I take the view that it is because fans care they will question and ask if Bucks is up to the job. That will never make them lesser fans because of that and Bucks akin to Fergie he has a long way to go and so much to learn before that will ever happen.
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Post by Dave on Feb 17, 2009 22:30:57 GMT
ali sounds like fun living in your house ;D while you may support different teams it must be good that your main interests are both football. While Carol is not a TUFC supporter she does like the game due to her childhood, when she spent all her spare time with her granddad who lived in Harbertonford, but was the chairman of Totnes football club and would spent so much time watching local football. She likes to watch games on the TV and is always quicker than me to name the players.
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Post by ali on Feb 18, 2009 9:25:51 GMT
;D Went to bed before he came back last night and kind of pottered about this morning upstairs before he went to work, he is hurting bad, but then again GET OVER IT. Bit peed off with him at the moment when I told him that I knew how he felt, he said No you don't you are only Torquay He just can't help feeling superior to us little gulls. It is nice both having the same interest but we do have to make an effort to have other interests, this is when sky + comes in very handy. ;D
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Post by merse on Feb 18, 2009 14:17:22 GMT
;D Went to bed before he came back last night and kind of pottered about this morning upstairs before he went to work, he is hurting bad, but then again GET OVER IT. Bit peed off with him at the moment when I told him that I knew how he felt, he said No you don't you are only Torquay He just can't help feeling superior to us little gulls. That's just the sort of idiotic attitude pervading from Gnome Park that pisses me off with those inbreds.................grounds for divorce I'd say. They lack ambition, they lack any history of achievement commensurate with their population and are in fact THE most underachieving football club in the country taking their hugely advantageous geographical location and demographic advantages over other clubs. Show this posting to your old man and tell him he is following a serial failure of a club.....................and for heaven's sake they even compound their smallsville attitude by playing in green which as every South Devon football follower knows is a colour only preferred by village clubs.
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Post by ali on Feb 18, 2009 15:47:05 GMT
Very good, I will remember what you have said and next time he has anything derogatory about us I will quote this to him. Like the village team bit as well. To be fair this train of thought has been bred into him from the womb (big argyle family) He quites like Torquay as a 'little brother' to Argyle, which can be quite irritating at times but hey let him carry on I am sure we will be in the same league again one day.
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