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Post by chelstongull on Feb 2, 2009 18:25:00 GMT
Congratulations to Nicky Wroe - picked for the England C team  |
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Post by merse on Feb 2, 2009 18:32:47 GMT
 Hmmn...............hardly a selection of the "best" of English talent at "C" level though is it? I see Ishmael Welsh has a call up too. Is this some sort of Under 23 squad? When I see some of the minor clubs providing players I do wonder just what is the point of this team?
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Post by weathergull on Feb 2, 2009 19:57:21 GMT
Hmmn...............hardly a selection of the "best" of English talent at "C" level though is it? I see Ishmael Welsh has a call up too. Is this some sort of Under 23 squad? When I see some of the minor clubs providing players I do wonder just what is the point of this team? I'm sure your little summary will help Mr Wroe immensely Merse.............ever thought of going into PR work? |
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Post by David Graham's Eighth Pint on Feb 2, 2009 20:17:13 GMT
Ever the optimist Merse!  When I see some of the minor clubs providing players I do wonder just what is the point of this team? I'm confused by this. Are you suggesting that all the England 'C' players should come from the teams occupying the top five positions in the BSP? Surely on this basis, then there's no point in Mr. Capello looking beyond Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Aston Villa when picking his next squad. |
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Post by jerry on Feb 2, 2009 20:28:14 GMT
I think Merse's comments were aimed at the poor quality of the rest of the squad rather than a slight on Nicky's ability!
7 of the 16 are from below BSP level!! Can't see Capello filling his squad with players from the likes of Barnsley and Norwich!
Surely nobody really thinks that 2 players from Alfreton Town are among the best 16 non-league players in the country?
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Feb 2, 2009 21:10:55 GMT
I don't think that there are tight restrictions on age limits but, generally, I think, it is players of 23 and under. Nicho, of course, was 27 or 28 when he was in it last season. I think that if they were allowed to pick too many older players then the likes of Hargreaves, Sills and Hodges would probably be getting in so there must be some age restrictions.
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Post by Rob on Feb 2, 2009 21:17:09 GMT
I think there are Under 23 age restrictions. The tournament Nicho was in didn't have those restrictions. And well done Nicky Wroe.
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Post by Dave on Feb 5, 2009 20:57:30 GMT
Does it really matter that a few players have been picked from leagues lower than the BSP, all the players who have been picked, must have caught someones eye and this will be their only real chance to play in an England side.
Does anyone know of a player who played for the C team and then went on to play for the England A team? the point really is that these players will feel proud to play in the c team and may just be the best thing that will ever happen to them during the time they play the game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 22:06:33 GMT
Does anyone know of a player who played for the C team and then went on to play for the England A team? when Wycombe were non-league..... Alan Smith (the Arsenal one) when he was with Alvechurch. The other way round - Peter Taylor when at Maidstone Utd. The general rule seems to be that in-season games are under 23. This includes the European International Challenge Trophy, the most recent of which has been contested by England, Italy, Finland, Wales, Rep Ireland, Belgium, N Ireland and Slovakia. The final will be between England and Belgium sometime this year. The end-of-season games are usually open-age and are normally based around the Four Nations Tournament which has been contested on and off for many years. I understand the future of the tournament is in doubt so, instead, the FA may be considering tours (such as last year's to the West Indies). I believe the whole international scene is driven by the English FA rather than UEFA or FIFA. A major problem is our definition of "non league" is shared by few countries outside the British Isles. Consequently there has to be negotiation about what type of teams are fielded in terms of age and the level from which players are drawn. Some countries - such as Finland - have used games for their main under 21 team. Finding new opponents is a challenge. This season England were well-beaten by Bosnia who fielded a team of young players from the higher levels of Bosnian football (which might mean the FA will ask them to tone it down next time). Malta is another new one and it sounds like their "full" under 21 team. As well as the British Isles nations, regular opponents for England have been Holland and Italy. Other games have been played against Barbados, Belgium, Finland, Gibraltar, Grenada, Iraq, Norway and USA. I suppose it's quite a long time since the team represented the cream of England's best non-league players. It probably started to change once the Conference started to become professional and the clubs more single-minded. It's a nice idea which has lost its way a little - but I guess Kevin Nicholson would enjoy another opportunity to get lost in the West Indies. There's also an element of it being a nice one for the "blazers". This week's squad is an new one - none have played before for England C - and it's very much a second XI to the team which will play against Belgium in the Trophy final. Nobody claims that it's the pick of the crop although all appearences carry the same weight in the counting of caps. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2009 7:03:43 GMT
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Post by aussie on May 2, 2009 9:44:57 GMT
Whats the point of a "C" team anyway, I don`t get it. You have the England first team Yeah I understand that, is the "B" team the Reserves? How does this structure work, do the "C" team players go into the "B" team if there are injuries and "B" team players into the first team and so on, cause I can`t see "C" team players being ever selected for first team duties, WHATS THE POINT?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2009 10:04:40 GMT
Whats the point of a "C" team anyway, I don`t get it. You have the England first team Yeah I understand that, is the "B" team the Reserves? How does this structure work, do the "C" team players go into the "B" team if there are injuries and "B" team players into the first team and so on, cause I can`t see "C" team players being ever selected for first team duties, WHATS THE POINT? It's only called the "C" team because they can't think of another name to call it. It's really the England Non-League XI which was the England Semi-Pro XI before you had professionals in this league. They've tried calling it the National Game XI (not surprising that didn't work) so we're best concluding that a marketing team has come up with the England C label (sorry, should that be brand?). England ZZ wouldn't look so good on the posters would it? Just call it the England Non League XI!! And, yes - for this particular tournament - it's the England Non-League Under-23 XI to be totally precise. |
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Post by chrish on May 2, 2009 10:17:34 GMT
Whats the point of a "C" team anyway, I don`t get it. You have the England first team Yeah I understand that, is the "B" team the Reserves? How does this structure work, do the "C" team players go into the "B" team if there are injuries and "B" team players into the first team and so on, cause I can`t see "C" team players being ever selected for first team duties, WHATS THE POINT? Glenn Hoddle used the "B" team to annoy Chris Sutton didn't he? Matt Le Tissier got the same treatment. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2009 10:36:58 GMT
Glenn Hoddle used the "B" team to annoy Chris Sutton didn't he? Matt Le Tissier got the same treatment. And, before then, Charlie George too. Back in the mists of time the Football League had its own representative team. Although this could technically feature players of other footballing nationalities, it was nearly always used as an England trial or to spread goodwill to underdeveloped, outlying parts of the Empire. I may have asked this before but did anybody go to this one?   I wasn't there myself but I believe the World Cup was paraded at Home Park that night. |
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Post by merse on May 2, 2009 12:55:53 GMT
I went to that 12-0 game and in those days that's what Gnome Park was good at....................staging games that captured the imagination of the South West football loving public.............within a couple of years  aaaaaarghoule had dropped to the same level as we had risen to and the magic was gone. The Football League squad comprised entirely of those who had been in the World Cup winning squad if not team (although six of this side had played in the Final) and quite correctly the occasion was used as the first opportunity to show the trophy off to the adoring public. The goals fairly flew in and the unusual fact of the game was that each of the five scorers attained multiple success i.e. no scorer of any single goal. This was one of several very good fixtures stage in Plymouth in those days including a couple of Under 23 England games against Belgium and then Bulgaria and of course the European Cup tie between Manchester United and St Etienne to say nothing of a friendly between aaaaarghoul and Santos including the legendary Pele.....................not that I was at that game as I was in London even in those days and actually saw the Brazilians at Craven Cottage where they left their arrival to play Fulham until ten minutes before kick off and ran straight onto the pitch already changed and repeated the performance in reverse (no, not running backwards ;D) at the final whistle!
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