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Post by nickbrod on May 17, 2022 13:18:44 GMT
Have to say I'm underwhelmed with that list. But how many of the thirteen will stay - that's the big question.
Like others amazed Rogers and O'Connell got two year deals.
Assume Opi Edwards has 'disappeared' as he now has no club after Forest Green released him.
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Post by petef on May 17, 2022 14:10:11 GMT
It beggars belief that Gaby Rogers is on a two year contract. I'm not impressed, how much money is tied up in the three on long term contracts who are rarely used and then offering new contracts to Wright and Hall who are both physically past it. Have to agree with you on that one Pete. Have to assume we were in a corner and held to ransom as GJ tried to assemble a squad at the last minute and was desperate for numbers. Surprised all of old boys have been offered contracts but at least their wont be clubs coming in for them! I just hope they can continue to contribute if they do accept though it maybe that they personally may have other ideas as to their futures and as they approach the ends of their playing careers at this level. We still need old heads about the place that's for sure. Surprised Johnson was released thought he was improving all the time. Of the players offered contracts other than the old boys none are really a surprise and nice to see Alex Moyse on the list and Olaf has earned an offer but this will no doubt be the last chance saloon to make an impression at this level. Not at all concerned Halstead is on a long contract I see him as a victim of circumstance and the situation of a totally untried and inexperienced back line and has recently proved to be capable as has Ali Omar. People ask why we don't give youngsters more pitch time - The start of this last season is where your answer lies. When you start losing games and shipping goals regularly as we did EVERYONE loses patience from management down to supporters and the circle of failure - the blame game chain reaction begins. Omar, fortunately survived and has improved immensely with the right coaching and because we gave him time to develop behind the scenes his well timed return showed us all that he has great potential. He well deserves a contract offer I hope he accepts. Of the thirteen offered contracts GJ will already know how many will accept so it's yet another waiting game I'm afraid chaps! |
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Post by Rags on May 17, 2022 14:24:08 GMT
Just a quick update on the FA Rules 21/22 (with my bolding)C2.10.3 Player Retention Process and CompensationC2.10.3 There shall be no right to a compensation or transfer fee by the previous Club of a Player who has attained the age of 24 years on or before 30th June and whose contract with that Club has expired. If a Club wishes to protect its right to compensation, it must comply with the following practice. C2.10.4 Within 7 days of the first Saturday in May, or the date of the last competitive Match of the Club’s first team, whichever is the later, the Club must give notice in writing to the Player indicating that either the Club offers a re-engagement or, if appropriate, exercises any option contained in the agreement. C2.10.5 If the notice offers re-engagement it must specify the period which the Club is prepared to agree and the terms and conditions to apply, which must be the same or not less favourable overall than those which applied during the initial period of employment – or the option period (if applicable). C2.10.6 The Player must notify in writing the Club holding the registration within 28 days of receipt of the said notice whether or not the offer of re- engagement is accepted. C2.10.7 If the offer is rejected the Player is immediately free to negotiate with another Club. C2.10.8 If the Player does not reply in writing to the offer of re-engagement then at the expiry of a period of 28 days, the Player is free to negotiate with another Club. www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/fa-handbookDon't hold your breath, it might be the middle of June before some of them decide to accept the club's offer. |
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Post by stig123 on May 17, 2022 14:24:21 GMT
Pants.. Plainmoorpete...I stand corrected. Got my existentialists mixed up!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 14:36:12 GMT
The bar hasn’t been set very high with that retained list…no wonder it was kept quiet!
I was concerned when Johnson said in his last interview that players with football intelligence were needed (ie, older players) hence the possibility/certainty of Wright and Hall staying.
As I predicted Koszela (or whatever his name is) is being given yet another contract, so what’s going on there I have no idea. 🤷♂️
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Post by petef on May 17, 2022 15:15:58 GMT
All players who've been offered new deals have a month from last weekend's end of the season to accept or finally reject the terms.
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Post by Rags on May 17, 2022 16:23:56 GMT
All players who've been offered new deals have a month from last weekend's end of the season to accept or finally reject the terms. Not exactly. They have 28 days from when the offer was made, which has to have been within 7 days of the end of the season. We can presume from GJ's interviews that many of the offers were made before Sunday so it could be that the month is up before 12th June. |
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Post by petef on May 17, 2022 16:52:40 GMT
All players who've been offered new deals have a month from last weekend's end of the season to accept or finally reject the terms. Not exactly. They have 28 days from when the offer was made, which has to have been within 7 days of the end of the season. We can presume from GJ's interviews that many of the offers were made before Sunday so it could be that the month is up before 12th June. |
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Post by Rags on May 17, 2022 17:21:14 GMT
With great respect, Pete, I don't particularly care what Joseph Bulmer has written. About two hours ago I quoted the contract regulations from the 2021/22 FA Handbook which are the rules that control all contract renegotiations. I humbly suggest that they are more accurate than the Torbay Weekly. |
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Post by rjdgull on May 17, 2022 17:26:08 GMT
So the players under 24 whereby the club are entitled to compensation if they don’t accept the club’s offer are Moyse, Koszela, Martin, Omar and Lewis and in that order of those most likely to re-sign.
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Post by plainmoorpete on May 17, 2022 18:07:38 GMT
So the players under 24 whereby the club are entitled to compensation if they don’t accept the club’s offer are Moyse, Koszela, Martin, Omar and Lewis and in that order of those most likely to re-sign. I think there is the added proviso that the new contract must be at least equal to or more generous in terms offered than the player's existing contrast. |
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Post by Rags on May 17, 2022 19:47:40 GMT
So the players under 24 whereby the club are entitled to compensation if they don’t accept the club’s offer are Moyse, Koszela, Martin, Omar and Lewis and in that order of those most likely to re-sign. I think there is the added proviso that the new contract must be at least equal to or more generous in terms offered than the player's existing contrast. You are not wrong: (my bolding)C2.10.5 If the notice offers re-engagement it must specify the period which the Club is prepared to agree and the terms and conditions to apply, which must be the same or not less favourable overall than those which applied during the initial period of employment – or the option period (if applicable). C2.10.6 The Player must notify in writing the Club holding the registration within 28 days of receipt of the said notice whether or not the offer of re- engagement is accepted. www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/fa-handbook |
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Post by chelstongull on May 18, 2022 10:23:56 GMT
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Post by Rags on May 18, 2022 15:02:18 GMT
I've been told many times that there is no such things a stupid question. Indeed, I've said that myself on many occasions. Yet the administrator of another Gulls fans forum thinks that this is a stupid question. As is often the case, there is uncertainty about his statement as what he actually said was " "Will there be an fee involved?" asks one of the terminally stupid on TFF of a club that doesn't have an academy.". Does he think you are "terminally stupid" despite the question? Does he think we are all "terminally stupid" on this forum? What about those who post here and his forum: are they also "terminally stupid"? Is it the question itself that is "terminally stupid"? What exactly does "terminally stupid" mean? I've heard of terminally ill, where the illness ends life, but can stupidity do that as well? Are we terminally stupid and as a result choose to read TFF? Is it TFF that renders us terminally stupid? I think we should be told because, unfortunately, I'm too stupid to work out what he means...  Alternatively, he could just answer "yes" or "no". I suspect "no" but, as always, his answer was ambiguous... Perhaps he doesn't actually know himself.  |
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Post by rjdgull on May 18, 2022 16:39:05 GMT
What exactly does "terminally stupid" mean? I've heard of terminally ill, where the illness ends life, but can stupidity do that as well? Are we terminally stupid and as a result choose to read TFF? Is it TFF that renders us terminally stupid? I think we should be told because, As this is a forum, (a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be discussed and exchanged) which not everyone necessarily gets and ends up doing their own thing elsewhere, I will quote from the urban dictionary. 1. A person who is so stupid they will obviously die of misadventure rather than old age. 2. An act performed by a person so stupid that the only way they will survive is by an act of God. 1. “Johnny is wanting to jump out of a plane without a parachute and land on a haystack. Man he is terminally stupid.” 2. “Billy tried to jump over a moving car. He’s in intensive care now. That was a terminally stupid thing to try. Not the Chelston I know although old age may have been mentioned once or twice by another member….. |
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