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Post by chelstongull on Dec 28, 2016 11:31:50 GMT
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Post by rjdgull on Dec 28, 2016 17:25:51 GMT
link- picked up in the Herald for what it is worth. The question is, how will the squad look in a few weeks after Nico has wheeled and dealed and what scope has he got from Osborne, in the short term at least....
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Post by petef on Dec 28, 2016 18:02:28 GMT
PLenty to suggest this is going to be announced soon. I would imagine not what KN would have wanted but probabably not in a position to stop/prevent it as Blisset deserves a crack at a higher level for sure and may well have been a condition when he signed in the summer. I dont think its all about money fromm any fee - it will I guess, be small though beneficial to the club right now. It will difficult to replace him I hope KN has something lined up not sure Williams could fill the role but who knows it may just be what he needs to start his season. Whatever it will need some imaaginitive thinking because we have been on our best run of the seaon of late and need to maintain that momentum this event could easily put an end to that. Same old story the better players will leave and that little bit of quality is lost you begin to wonder how this club can ever progress.
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Post by simonb on Dec 28, 2016 18:31:53 GMT
Transfer moves in and out will reveal the desire of our new owners to move the club onwards and upwards. Loss of good players where replaced with dross will expose any lack of ambition.
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Post by chelstongull on Dec 28, 2016 18:42:34 GMT
'Rumours' that GG and McGinty are also being tracked...
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Post by chelstongull on Jan 1, 2017 18:31:33 GMT
Tough on Torquay today by all accounts.
I believe that Bliss wasn't in the squad today, will we get a replacement before he's shipped out?
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Post by keyberrygull on Jan 1, 2017 19:32:30 GMT
Tough on Torquay today by all accounts. I believe that Bliss wasn't in the squad today, will we get a replacement before he's shipped out? Blissett was at the game today and came over to applaud the away support at the end, waving good bye at the same time. With regards to his replacement, one can only hope he was in the home team dressing room packing his bags.
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Post by dazzainns on Jan 1, 2017 20:52:13 GMT
Moore went off iaround the 75th minute so he would have had time
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Post by simonb on Jan 3, 2017 19:17:35 GMT
Good luck to Nathan and thanks for his efforts. Very concerned that we will not see too much incoming talent. More worried that we could end up with some real numpties given the likelihood that GI will not invest a great deal of cash! No doubt we will soon find out!
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Post by rjdgull on Jan 4, 2017 11:25:47 GMT
lHerald Link - confirmed in the paper today. Also worth noting that the league have yet to rubber stamp the GI takeover - I wonder what would happen if they said no!!!!
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Post by stewart on Jan 4, 2017 13:34:13 GMT
Once again it seems that, owing to its parlous financial situation, the club has been lured into a kind of half now, half later transfer fee payment, depending on appearances made, promotion gained and sell-on clauses. A lot of money appears to have already been lost following these terms being applied to the transfers of Eunan O'Kane and Angus MacDonald, and it is quite probable that the same will happen in Blissett's case. If I buy, for example, a new set of furniture, then either I am obliged to pay the full cost of it at the time of purchase, or a contract is drawn up to ensure that future instalments are paid in full, failing which legal enforcement can be applied. However cash-strapped selling clubs may be, the full amount of the transfer fee should be paid at the outset, so that there is no opportunity to reduce it by spurious means. If the buying club cannot afford it, then no deal, and the FA or FL, whichever is responsible for regulating these fees, should ensure that a rule is in place to guarantee this arrangement. An idealistic and naive view, maybe, but there is far too much of this going on at present whereby the richer clubs are fleecing the poorer ones. Another question has occurred to me. If GI are not yet officially in control of the club, but may well be in control of its finances, and the outgoing board members, save one or two, have all departed the scene, who will be dealing with incoming or outgoing transfer fees, and what guarantee is there that Blissett's fee will be available for the purpose of signing new players ? (Apologies that the final paragraph is all one sentence, but I couldn't see a way of splitting it !!)
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Post by petef on Jan 4, 2017 16:06:47 GMT
Good luck to Bliss you cannot deny a guy the opportunity to better himself financially and experience playing in a higher division with a club with far better prospects and a loomin FA cup tie against Liverpool though he will be cup tied. For sure Bliss was probably one of the highest earners at the club so money saved there but I wouldn't imagine Kiefer Moore coming any cheaper if that could actually happen which I doubt. The O'kane debacle was ridiculous and a clear example of how not to negotiate the right deal for the club there should have been other safeguards in place but again you cannot stand in a players way and I guess that took precedence. Nico hopes to lure KM, back but with what kind of offer? 15k with the possibility of doubling - not to be sniffed at for a player we paid nothing for but a drop in the ocean in all honesty add that to the fact we need to replace him at a cost whatever that may be. Harrod's name has been muted I liked him when he played with Blissett last season but at 32 not sure this would be ideal though we do need some hard edged experience in the squad. I too would like to know who sanctioned and negotiated this deal - probably Nico he's the only one left with any desire or sense but who the hell is actually running the show now? If GI are not yet in control how can they sanction any new signings?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 16:48:44 GMT
Like Stewart, I much preferred the days when a straight fee, more often that not paid there and then, had to be agreed upon. It did make things much more straightforward as far as calculating whether the buyer or seller had struck the better deal. Seeing Manchester United shell out a big fee on a subsequently goal shy Ted MacDougall or Garry Birtles was quite satisfying. Of course deals such as those involving Blissett minimise the risk of either party miscalculating, and in this particular instance, even among our own fans there's a substantial number who think Blissett will struggle to make an impact at the higher level, and those who see him fitting in well with the aid of more talented teammates.
A few clauses help everyone save face, and I'm sure that sort of arrangement is here to stay. Given the stick a modern day Manager gets for making a poor decision in buying or selling, the alternative would probably be an even greater insistence that fees be 'undisclosed'.
We came off badly from the Eunan deal that Bournemouth and Leeds cobbled together, there's no doubt about that. Although from the day he left us almost up to the day he went to Elland Road, it looked as though we were ensured a decent reward. It now seems as if we'll be playing in our 20,000 capacity G.I Arena before any eventual transfer money ever trickles through from that deal, as Leeds won't be going up for a few years yet, will they ?
Slightly different from Stewart's point, but I'm reasonably happy with the money we've received for Angus and will receive for Nathan Blissett. The Angus cash was a 'Great Escape' bonus. It's a £100,000 we got just for Cap'n Angus signing a piece of paper while sitting in the sun enjoying a beer with King Kev last July. There can be no serious doubt that Cap'n Angus wouldn't have been straight out the door, and not given 5 seconds thought to signing up for National League South football IF we'd been relegated. Getting that signature off him in the Summer brought in the best part of 100K that we otherwise wouldn't have seen. And we agreed the fee with Barnsley before Angus had even put in an expenses claim with us for a new pair of boots for 2016/17.
Anyone who witnessed Nathan Blissett's debut for us (I think Brucie did) when he came on as a second half substitute at a muddy Plainmoor with fellow Gulls debutant Shaun Harrod, will struggle to recall seeing a more disinterested, demotivated individual, making an appearance for us...yes Blissett was that bad on the night.
The fact that King Kev has, in a relatively short time, turned him into a player who could eventually swell our bank balance by a figure in excess of 30K, despite there being only a matter of months on his contract, is a credit to the Manager as well as to the player. Of course Nathan Smith will also readily tell you he wouldn't be the player he is, with the valuation that Port Vale can put on him, unless he'd come under King Kev's tutelage. The Cap'n Angus of before King Kev's managerial appointment, and the Cap'n Angus we could later sell to Barnsley were also different beasts, and would have commanded widely differing valuations in the transfer market. Dan Butler, despite his season in our struggling side, made considerable strides in his development thanks to King Kev's expert knowledge of the requirements for an effective left back. Those improvements were enough to gain Dan a move back to the Football League, although, sadly, we can only guess how Dan's game has deteriorated under Graham Westley, and how he must wish he could benefit from the advice of a defensive legend once again.
Yes, a bigger deal and a better deal is what we'd always prefer to see when we're selling, but without holding on to our top class Manager who we've seen can improve existing players, and will improve future players and make them capable of attracting transfer fees, our opportunity to discuss 'fees received' and the attendant convoluted clauses involved, may no longer be an issue we'll have chance to discuss.
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Post by plainmoorpete on Jan 4, 2017 17:38:03 GMT
Two things were to Plymouths advantage. Firstly he only had five months on his contract to run, Plymouth could have waited and got him for nothing. Secondly there does not appear to have been a bidding war for him, so we had to settle for what Plymouth were prepared to offer.
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Post by plainmoorpete on Jan 4, 2017 17:50:37 GMT
lHerald Link - confirmed in the paper today. Also worth noting that the league have yet to rubber stamp the GI takeover - I wonder what would happen if they said no!!!! Probably not a lot. I am not sure if I remember this correctly, but when the guy who owns Leeds appeared for the umpteenth time in an Italian court on fraud charges the FA or Football League declared him an unfit person to own a football club; but all that happened was he was banned from sitting on the board for six months. However because owning a football club over here is not like owning a franchise as in america where the sporting authorities can demand and control the sale of a franchise, I expect the only avenue open to the authorities here would be to expel the club from their competitions.
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