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Post by Mark L on Nov 11, 2016 9:38:07 GMT
There you go, Pete. Flo has demonstrated how quickly some will turn on fans. Leave the poor Board alone. It's a good deal we've got going on with GI if all else fails. There seems to be an awful lot of advice offered to TUST and fans by people critical of TUST and fans these days. Not directed at you, Pete, as I can see where you're coming from and if GI take over, I could see a potential share issue being put to fans within an ACV time period, who if they vote that way, may seek to buy the ground when GI show their obvious hand, as most fans have realised what GI means. Even Dave Phillips is of the opinion GI, whilst someone to get a loan from, aren't the right people to own TUFC. Maybe his is the voice some on here will listen to, if GI's spin didn't capture enough fuel for a pseudo-libertarian rant instead about nice property developers. Keyboard w*nkers could easily extend to w*nkers full stop when it comes to description of supporters for some. Fans who put their hands in their pockets for the Club week in week out and will continue to do so long after this Board has gone and we are either owned by property developers or someone else. I have read elsewhere from one bizarre poster saying fans are "really worthy, but worthless really" as he goes on to try and set up some form of collective of fans based around him. I think for some though, this "worthless really" thing is a hurdle they cannot get over with their thinking. I hear we are getting news next week on ownership. The thread title. The message at the forum from Dave Phillips did contradict for some the message from yesterday regarding whether there are actually any offers on the table. Some would say 1. idiot fans misinterpreting the obvious; 2. not the most clear of statements; 3. it was deliberate to confuse and 4. others might say there aren't any offers. Alpine has already dealt his hand on this elsewhere, but I suspect those keen to dismiss fans will generally go for the first option or respect it if it was the third one. All supporters, however frustrated they may be, whatever their view of the Board or whatever next they are accused of, will no doubt be hoping upon hope it is not the fourth one. Nice bit of twisting there, Rob. I wasn't aware I had said GI was a good deal because I don't believe it is. Nonetheless, at a time when funds were needed to stop an imminent collapse of the club, and in the absence of any alternatives, DP did what any person in a similar position would do; he took the only offer on the table in the hope that it would give some breathing space to try and find another more satisfactory solution. As for saying supporters 'put their hands in their pockets for the Club week in week out and will continue to do so long after this Board has gone and we are either owned by property developers or someone else' is a bit duplicitous. They only pay an admission fee in return for the entertainment inside. Not a lot different to going to the cinema or the theatre. It's a entry fee in return for the game/film/show on offer, calculated amongst other things to cover the wages of the players/actors and the props/goalposts. In none of those situations does it buy you any rights to say how the establishment should be run, or any basis to demand to know how much each show makes, or the owners' plans for the future. If you want those privileges you need to buy shares, sufficient to get you on the board. My point was that if you aren't prepared to go to that extreme, you should cut the current board some slack. The accusation that they are a bunch of clueless bumblers is incorrect. Mistakes have been made, of course, but in the Thea era, this was ignored, as she stumped up enough to cover any resultant shortfalls. Joe was right when he said '....to find better and more efficient methods, rather than be satisfied with the goal of raising enough money to cover the expense of keeping things as they are.' Just covering the shortfall is a plan doomed to fail, as one day the well will run dry or the well owner will remove the bucket; exactly what happened when Thea left. If you think I'm turning on fans, well maybe I am. What I do know is there are a lot of forum members who think they know a lot about running a business, when it's readily apparent that actually they know fcuk all. Supporting a football club is in no way similar to going to the cinema or the theatre. While you may get entertainment (I emphasise 'MAY') the fans are the most important stakeholders in the club, they are not customers who will come and go. You may think people know nothing about running a business but here you have shown you know very little about why loss-making football clubs continue in their existence. The reason is supporters, their sense of belonging and their passion. |
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Post by Rob on Nov 11, 2016 14:16:28 GMT
Flo - That was a very long winded way of concluding in your last paragraph you agree that maybe you are turning against fans. Others will readily do the same if a Club's Board are at best ambivalent towards them. Nothing new in that.
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Post by Rob on Nov 11, 2016 14:19:48 GMT
Let's see what emerges over the next few days and balance that against what was said at the recent Forum. That's the bottom line for me. |
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Post by simonb on Nov 11, 2016 23:24:54 GMT
So far one loan player - hope he gets a game! Despite the multitude of bids, no further news (still, it's a long time until January 31 I suppose)!
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Post by simonb on Nov 12, 2016 16:46:15 GMT
Well another Saturday, another dismal performance - the only excuse possible being TUFC - the board, manager and (most) players are themselves an excuse as a football club!
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Post by stig123 on Nov 12, 2016 19:38:39 GMT
We can only hope we find legitimate owners before we sink into the relegation zone (again).
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Post by simonb on Nov 13, 2016 16:36:54 GMT
With the current levels of maladministration I suspect liquidation rather than preservation!
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Post by simonb on Nov 14, 2016 17:00:50 GMT
No more news or any updates from our brilliant board?
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Post by dazzainns on Nov 14, 2016 17:53:35 GMT
Why the hollow mocking? Like it or not when this Board took on the club there was no one else. If in turns out now there is someone, for better or for worse , prepared to enter the ring these people have bought us time. It's easy to mock. None of us has been prepared to do what they have done.
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Post by simonb on Nov 14, 2016 21:24:29 GMT
We will have to see what evolves!
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Post by simonb on Nov 15, 2016 7:38:53 GMT
dazzainns - this is hardly "hollow mocking' more an observation of the situation - perhaps as a new member you have inside information although you have said cryptically "for better or for worse" it could be you are as much in the land of the unknown as the rest of us?
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Post by Rob on Nov 15, 2016 22:54:56 GMT
If you say like you did, Flo, 'If you think I'm turning on fans, then maybe I am', it's then a reasonable observation.
I think most get that they initially stepped up to Dean Edwards' plate. It's the bit where fans - who may have been in a position to help, whatever you may think of fans - were led to believe 1800 was breakeven, yet they took out a loan secured against the Club with a property developer despite the gate exceeding this, that irks for many. That, poor communication and a few other bits.
They won't be around for much longer. Still think GI and/or Masters are the most likely bet. We are supposedly getting news this week regarding those bids already in, aren't we?
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Post by plainmoorpete on Nov 16, 2016 0:13:20 GMT
I think most get that they initially stepped up to Dean Edwards' plate. It's the bit where fans - who may have been in a position to help, whatever you may think of fans - were led to believe 1800 was breakeven, yet they took out a loan secured against the Club with a property developer despite the gate exceeding this, that irks for many. That, poor communication and a few other bits. Wasn't the original 1800 break even attendance figure announced before certain liabilities came to light; such as claims for unfair dismissal and the yellowfest debacle. And wasn't the loan taken out after these liabilities occured. I seem to remember last season Dave Philips saying that if certain employment tribunals found against the club it could be curtains. |
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Post by rjdgull on Nov 16, 2016 0:23:03 GMT
I get the sense that after running out of money very quickly, (for various reasons as discussed previously) there was nothing left to give Nico funds with which to boost his playing budget in the January transfer window so as to avoid the drop. Desperate for a new funding stream, GI must have appeared an appealing option providing both short term funds, a development opportunity to provide longer term funds with the directors remaining insitu, job done etc and can those pesky fans be quiet so as not to jeopardise this marvellous deal. Possible downsides were either not looked at or turned a blind eye to as the "only"other choice was part time football.
So after saving the club, someone else now needs to be found to save the club by picking up the tab for those loans, providing funds to 're-energise the club as well as paying back our directors their investment which I suspect will influence their choice of buyer ie highest as opposed to most ethical bidder such as TUST. Not that I know any details of the other interest out there although my gut feeling is that special adviser Pete will be in the box seat.....
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Post by Jon on Nov 16, 2016 1:03:58 GMT
Wasn't the original 1800 break even attendance figure announced before certain liabilities came to light; such as claims for unfair dismissal and the yellowfest debacle. And wasn't the loan taken out after these liabilities occured. I seem to remember last season Dave Philips saying that if certain employment tribunals found against the club it could be curtains. No. The inherited unfair dismissal settlement was fully documented and quantified in the due diligence report. It was the handling of dismissals by the incoming board that could have led to further claims. It is to the credit of those unfairly dismissed that they came to reasonable settlements. Dean Edwards applied some emotional blackmail: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34197863The loss on Yellowfest 2015 was fully covered by the directors who authorised it. Yellowfest 2015 was generally well received and should have laid the ground for more successful future events. Yellowfest 2016 WAS a debacle. Poorly planned, poorly promoted, poorly executed. It wiped out any goodwill built up in 2015. And of course, the loss was NOT underwritten by the current board. The loan from GI was taken out long before Yellowfest 2016. |
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