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Post by hector on Nov 6, 2016 0:28:00 GMT
I've only just finished watching the Fans Forum and having seen the attitude of some supporters to the TUST (especially the man in blue getting abusive at the front, as Jon attempted to speak) I am tempted to think that they deserve what they get. They deserve for their team to be screwed over by GI/Masters.
As for the other speaker suggesting he wants to see TUST 'get busy' just how does he expect that in the face of a hostile club and press? How stupid are supporters who see other supporters as the enemy, rather than those who would happily sell the club out to property developers?
They deserve precisely what they are getting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 10:07:51 GMT
Given his recent comments I know Rob will be particularly disappointed to read judgmental comments of other fans, such as: 'they deserve what they get. They deserve for their team to be screwed over by GI/Masters', and, 'They deserve precisely what they are getting'. Rob will no doubt use his own words to roundly condemn the extremists of TUST's militant tendancy and highlight the damage that they continue to do. I hope his message gets through, as their current behaviour may not sit well with new owners who could already be sceptical of a group that has factionalised the fan base.
What we could do with at a time when the club is about to enter a new era, is far fewer examples of why an official supporters club has been made necessary in order to give more moderate fans, who have the club's best interest at heart, a voice.
A unified fan base behind the ambitious new owners is what will be needed. If the extremists and militants won't mend their ways, then TUST must take steps to marginalise them, for the greater good of the club.
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Post by rjdgull on Nov 6, 2016 10:17:34 GMT
Hector - A bit harsh. We all deserve a club to support. Not everyone is aware of all the goings on and when the club is blatantly disunited with differing viewpoints that is going to be expressed amongst the fanbase. For now, a TUST takeover has gone because the owners have not looked to transition the club in this way. That is their prerogative but they will be judged on the alternative they come up with and after the GI debacle there is not much faith out there on a successful outcome in that respect.
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Post by hector on Nov 6, 2016 11:14:57 GMT
Given his recent comments I know Rob will be particularly disappointed to read judgmental comments of other fans, such as: 'they deserve what they get. They deserve for their team to be screwed over by GI/Masters', and, ' They deserve precisely what they are getting'. Rob will no doubt use his own words to roundly condemn the extremists of TUST's militant tendancy and highlight the damage that they continue to do. I hope his message gets through, as their current behaviour may not sit well with new owners who could already be sceptical of a group that has factionalised the fan base. What we could do with at a time when the club is about to enter a new era, is far fewer examples of why an official supporters club has been made necessary in order to give more moderate fans, who have the club's best interest at heart, a voice. A unified fan base behind the ambitious new owners is what will be needed. If the extremists and militants won't mend their ways, then TUST must take steps to marginalise them, for the greater good of the club. The new owners? Who might that be? The property developers of GI? Or Peter Masters? Do you think they care what supporters think? And you are surely jesting when you suggest it is the official supporters club - the one formed by Bernard Noble who uses abusive names to describes supporters and handpicks the committee - that will give supporters a voice rather than one that is a democratic organisation made up of supporters? Even you are not that daft. BUt yes, supporters who see their fellow fans as the enemy, rather than the property developers who have designs on the club, really do deserve all they get.
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Post by Rob on Nov 6, 2016 13:07:53 GMT
Quite right I'm very anti supporter against supporter in such difficult times, alpine. Well spotted. It'll die down as emotions are high, but I'll leave you to police your "TUST militant wing" or Hector, whichever you deem the largest group, as it's something you have a lot of energy for and us supporters need to play to our strengths.
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Post by bomber on Nov 6, 2016 20:30:40 GMT
Given his recent comments I know Rob will be particularly disappointed to read judgmental comments of other fans, such as: 'they deserve what they get. They deserve for their team to be screwed over by GI/Masters', and, ' They deserve precisely what they are getting'. Rob will no doubt use his own words to roundly condemn the extremists of TUST's militant tendancy and highlight the damage that they continue to do. I hope his message gets through, as their current behaviour may not sit well with new owners who could already be sceptical of a group that has factionalised the fan base. What we could do with at a time when the club is about to enter a new era, is far fewer examples of why an official supporters club has been made necessary in order to give more moderate fans, who have the club's best interest at heart, a voice. A unified fan base behind the ambitious new owners is what will be needed. If the extremists and militants won't mend their ways, then TUST must take steps to marginalise them, for the greater good of the club. If these ambitious new owners turn out to GI, they haven't yet earned that title.
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Post by hector on Nov 6, 2016 22:07:41 GMT
Given his recent comments I know Rob will be particularly disappointed to read judgmental comments of other fans, such as: 'they deserve what they get. They deserve for their team to be screwed over by GI/Masters', and, ' They deserve precisely what they are getting'. Rob will no doubt use his own words to roundly condemn the extremists of TUST's militant tendancy and highlight the damage that they continue to do. I hope his message gets through, as their current behaviour may not sit well with new owners who could already be sceptical of a group that has factionalised the fan base. What we could do with at a time when the club is about to enter a new era, is far fewer examples of why an official supporters club has been made necessary in order to give more moderate fans, who have the club's best interest at heart, a voice. A unified fan base behind the ambitious new owners is what will be needed. If the extremists and militants won't mend their ways, then TUST must take steps to marginalise them, for the greater good of the club. If these ambitious new owners turn out to GI, they don't deserve the title 'ambitious'. I don't think that would deter, Alpine - he's a mate of Chris Roberts of course - and a shame really, as he is the poster that makes me laugh more than most.
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Post by Rob on Nov 6, 2016 23:12:19 GMT
I went to a Club today who after years of struggling transferred ownership to a community benefit society. They couldn't believe how much easier it was now to get sponsors and how they'd made money on something quite specific to their ground which had been untapped as a resource for years thanks to additional funding streams they could now tap into. Their recent history includes a defeat of Taunton in the play offs and they are nicknamed the Puritans. Any guesses?
Incidentally, I certainly did not prompt what I was told by a very enthusiastic elderly supporter of all things Puritan, later joined by someone who seemed more official, as I just wanted to watch my daughter's Ladies Team debut in quiet contemplation after an hour and a half in the car. They even had a dedicated community radio station for matchday commentaries. This really isn't for this thread, but does anyone know, do Taunton and others at a slightly higher level have that as a norm?
The non Trust owned side my daughter plays for won 7-2, so alpine might be onto something. And anyway, they obviously play at a level below that which we're currently at, so I know it's not allowed to count. I didn't get the impression there was much left wing activism about the place, but I'm sure the seemingly true blue ones are the canniest lefties.
Google tells me the left fair badly in elections up there. I thought the sponsor and untapped funding thing was interesting, though. Who'd've thought it? Apart from quite a few, of course.
Obviously they'd sell if someone with loads of cash showed an interest that their fans were confident would benefit the club later. I didn't ask. You don't need to. It was a very friendly place on a bloody cold and wet day for that sort of talk.
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Post by Rob on Nov 6, 2016 23:32:40 GMT
While I'm asking questions, what League would we be demoted to if there is default on GI's loan and some time soon after that we had to/were able to start again?
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Post by Rob on Nov 7, 2016 2:35:23 GMT
While I'm asking questions, what League would we be demoted to if there is default on GI's loan and some time soon after that we had to/were able to start again? Two levels below Southern Premier. Toolstation Western League thanks to Plainmoor 78's assistance elsewhere. Rings a bell as mentioned before. Southern Premier is where it becomes decentish for me - via very limited knowledge of such things. Hereford's level next season by the looks of it.
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Post by rjdgull on Nov 7, 2016 9:02:28 GMT
There is an irony in that the board have chosen the path they have to prevent us dropping down a league and going part time. Hopefully, this can be pulled off.
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Post by Rob on Nov 8, 2016 0:32:58 GMT
I see from elsewhere that actually it would be Southern League Division One South and West at tier 8, not tier 9, we would go down to if we could rescue things were GI allowed to wreck us. Promoted overnight.
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