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Post by petef on Nov 16, 2013 19:12:51 GMT
Yep DVN but you have to agree that he teams were miles apart tactically and in technical quality.
Team selection is now just confused and shambolic I reckon Knill and Brass have got to the stage where they put the names on a dartboard and throw darts blindfold.
They simply have no idea who are their best players are or what the best system is that suits those players . In the meantime they all lose belief and confidence and the situation continues to deteriorate. That unfortunately is what we are now left with and you could see it in the players body language that some of them just didn't want to be on the pitch any more taking stick from the fans.
Nothing whatsoever comes from the board any more I think they took so much stick last season by being so open that they have now shut up shop.
Is it the managers fault or do we simply not have players of a caliber that can maintain our league status. - I think its a combination of both personally.
As an aside the question is often raised as to why we have successful seasons followed by dire struggle well the answer is pretty obvious to me in that we can never hold on to our best players. A club doing well and of our stature will always attract interest so we lose our better players that made us successful and then arrogantly believe that they will easily be replaced. So who exactly, have we replaced Oleznik, Okane, Saah and Rene Howe with ? And lets face it and if we are completely honest even the much maligned Danny Stevens would have benn more honest and done a better job than many today.
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Post by Swanny on Nov 16, 2013 19:36:43 GMT
Well said PeteF, and it is a very dangerous game shipping in a lot of inexperienced loanees and shipping out OUR players or simply just ignoring them. As I stated earlier in this thread, this will clearly impact the squad's team spirit and morale and you will get much more fight from OUR players who have the club at heart. It's all turned into a right shambles with the loanees now making matters worse than before.
Personally I thought Chesterfield only had to play in second gear to beat us today, it was that comfortable for them.
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Post by twoleftfeet on Nov 16, 2013 19:57:52 GMT
To all the people on this forum who believe that Knill should be given more time I ask the question why?
When you look at his results since he took charge, and also the performances from the team, he would have been sacked by now at any other club. I think we have to look at the board also. You know the people who made Thea chairwoman of the club when it looked like we were going to be relegated and the shit was about to hit the fan. You know, the sneaky fuckers who mismanaged things and then quietly slipped into the background but who, in all reality, still pull the strings now.
Time for a change of management.
Whoever comes in it can’t be any worse but might be considerably better. It’s either pay now or pay next year when we are in the conference. Personally I don’t give a shit how we play if we are getting the results because that’s all that matters. As a small club we have to survive at this level and hope to have the odd cup run, perhaps the odd promotion every ten years or so. That should be our expectation. Perhaps the board have the same expectations but sadly lack the knowledge of how we go about it.
Bring back the players we have out on loan then add Sullivan and throw them in. They couldn’t do any worse and quite probably will do better because I haven’t seen any world beaters in the players that Knill has drafted in.
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Post by hullgull on Nov 17, 2013 8:20:41 GMT
Morning all,reading your posts,alot of debate bout knilly,should he stay or should he go.....just seen the goals on sky news,the man can't do anything bout defensive errors AGAIN......don't get me wrong we ave a lot of issues to be rectified,which is quite apparent to you all.....but even at this stage of the season do not think it's panic stations......on a positive note we are only 12 points off playoffs if that's any consolation to you all....no point in feeling sorry for ourselves is there.....I know it's very frustrating to us all to see where we are in the league.....but we will get through this......si.
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Post by chelstongull on Nov 17, 2013 8:53:57 GMT
add Sullivan and throw them in. They couldn’t do any worse Thought Sullivan had a mare when he came on - not sure if he passed the ball in the time he was on the pitch. |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Nov 17, 2013 9:11:06 GMT
The colours were firmly nailed to the mast before the season started - we are a club unwilling to spend on the playing squad, so replacing Knill solves nothing and, if anything, makes the situation worse. I suspect the board are constrained by the requirement to limit the wage bill to whatever the percentage of income the FL permit. I've no idea how the likes of Accy and the Daggers manage to survive the wage cap, presumably by paying peanuts? Perhaps the getting in of loan players helps with that if they're not included on the wage bill? |
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Post by chelstongull on Nov 17, 2013 9:21:43 GMT
I must be the only person who thought that whilst Chesterfield played the ball about well they were no great shakes and were given two soft first half goals - don't think they really threatened after the early Christmas presents. If we don't get anything out of Accrington and Plymouth we are going to be in deep, deep, deep deep do-do's.  Rumours are rife in Paignton last night of Knill been given three matches to turn things 'round.  Depressing times.  Can't even be bothered to boil an egg this morning.  |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Nov 17, 2013 10:16:44 GMT
So who exactly, have we replaced Oleznik, Okane, Saah and Rene Howe with ? Pete, you can hardly blame the current management for the replacement of Olejnik or O'Kane. That was before their time. As for Howe and Saah? I would suggest Pearce is every bit as good as Saah. The only thing we're missing up front is someone the defenders bounce off if they try and challenge him. Oh and Chelston, no you're not the only one. |
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Post by Jon on Nov 17, 2013 10:29:32 GMT
Exceptionally depressing.
Played o.k. for 15 minutes, made two howling errors and that was it.
It was as if there was a non-aggression pact - they wouldn't step up the pace and thrash us senseless as long as we agreed to not so much as look as if we had a cat in hell's chance of pulling back to 2-2.
I missed the Cheltenham game, so I have now seen ONE Torquay United goal in my last SEVEN visits to Plainmoor.
I don't think I have EVER found watching TUFC so dull and uninspiring.
I remember that this time last season people were moaning about entertainment value when Plainmoor had seen more goals than any other in the division and we were on the fringes of the play-off zone. When we did have a bad game, you could at least see what we were trying to achieve.
I don't really know what can be done. The directors are between a rock and a hard place. I would imagine they slept less well last night than I did.
Cross your fingers and pray for lucky 1-0 wins against Accrington and Plymouth.
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Post by bristolgull on Nov 17, 2013 12:05:33 GMT
What is of Real concern to me from what I've seen this season and what I've read, is the apparent lack of cohesion and togetherness in the team. This cannot be helped by the coming and goings of loan players and those contracted players seeing their peers being loaned out to other clubs. Knill seems to be keen on the loan market but some of the choices mystify me, McCourt over lathrope for example, or loaning out yeoman when we clearly struggle to score yet persists with Hawley who, on the occasions I've seen him, couldn't look more disinterested or ruptured from his team mates. Obviously none of us are party to what goes on in the dressing room but from outside some of the decisions look bizarre. Some on the other site suggest that Knill has 'lost' the dressing room. If that is the case we really are in trouble...,
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Post by gullone on Nov 17, 2013 12:22:24 GMT
[quote source="/post/107557/thread" timestamp="1384617246" Out of interest, let's say Knill is removed - who is available to replace him who we know can do a better job? Get down to OVERACHIEVERS R US before its too late ! There is a very good one working in Walsall at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 12:36:18 GMT
Rumours are rife in Paignton last night of Knill been given three matches to turn things 'round.
Or what?
A rumour in Paignton does not a sacking make.
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Post by keyberrygull on Nov 17, 2013 13:00:10 GMT
I must be the only person who thought that whilst Chesterfield played the ball about well they were no great shakes and were given two soft first half goals - don't think they really threatened after the early Christmas presents. If we don't get anything out of Accrington and Plymouth we are going to be in deep, deep, deep deep do-do's. Rumours are rife in Paignton last night of Knill been given three matches to turn things 'round. Depressing times. Can't even be bothered to boil an egg this morning. Chill out Victor: Having been gifted a two goal lead Chesterfield didn't need to be any great shakes to come away with the points. Agreed, If we don't get anything out of Accrington and Plymouth we are going to be in deep, deep, deep deep do-do's. Its not only Knill. Rumours are rife in Newton Abbot that if The Eastern Eye Kitchen staff cant turn things around in the next few weeks they will all be out of jobs as well. I was a little grumpy last night but my poached eggs this morning were lovely. Agreed Depressing times. |
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Post by petef on Nov 17, 2013 13:36:21 GMT
So who exactly, have we replaced Oleznik, Okane, Saah and Rene Howe with ? Pete, you can hardly blame the current management for the replacement of Olejnik or O'Kane. That was before their time. As for Howe and Saah? I would suggest Pearce is every bit as good as Saah. The only thing we're missing up front is someone the defenders bounce off if they try and challenge him. Oh and Chelston, no you're not the only one. Steve I was speaking paradoxically. In no way is it the current management teams fault that the club ALWAYS sell or release the better players believing that they will easily be replaced and things will tick along nicely. We have done it so many times now that I always expect failure after success. Its just a continuing game of snakes and ladders - sell your main assets to survive and you end up sliding down the ladder and back to square one. Its a policy that is destined to fail unless we have genuine league standard prospects continually waiting in the wings to fill the gaps, from what I have witnessed the club are persevering with this policy but are failing because many are under the illusion that the likes of Sullivan, Thompson, McKenzie etc will be good enough to compete at this level. In the meantime we are scraping the barrel of loanees just to survive in a division that is proving far to strong for what we can afford.. Knill has tried to address the problems with young inexperienced players from other clubs that cannot make an impact and we then expect them to carry the fight and take us up the table. Its not going to happen. As you rightly suggest our problems stem from the ball coming back from the front men so easily. The ball simply doesnt "stick any more everything we tried to do going forward yesterday was was failing because the ball was coming back from the forwards in an instant and despite having a fair amount of possession their was no physical presence to bring the wingers and midfield players into threatening areas. Chappell did all he could and was having to come deep so many times that he ran out of steam going forward. If you think back to last season when Rene Howe was our battering ram that could do that job and do it well with a few goals thrown i you will see exactly what I mean. We were a poor team last season and without a player of his type or calibre we so much worse . McCallum, Azeez are simply no the answer neither can hold the ball up or have enough physical presence or knowhow to "stall" the play long enough to get players to support any sort of threatening move and that is why we look so impotent. Hawley is simply not a target man and I am not even sure he is totally committed to the cause. At the end of the day it is the managers job to identify and pin point the deficiencies and act upon them something Alan Knill has failed to do up till now. For a start off my priority would be to send both Azeez and McCallum back and search hard for a bulky big arsed experienced front man who can hold the ball up. No more Bambi on Ice Courtney Camerons please lets get some know how up front and maybe things will turn around. |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Nov 17, 2013 15:10:14 GMT
[quote source="/post/107557/thread" timestamp="1384617246" Out of interest, let's say Knill is removed - who is available to replace him who we know can do a better job? Get down to OVERACHIEVERS R US before its too late ! There is a very good one working in Walsall at the moment. I'm pretty sure Smiffy (assuming thats who you mean) wouldnt be interested, though it's interesting to note, on his watch Walsall had 2 relegation battles followed by what looked like a third one, with a run of 16 without a win before going on a hot streak that almost got them to the playoffs. In fact, his first full season in charge had a run of 2 wins from the start of September through to mid February (29 games in total!!). And we thought our run was bad??? |
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