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Post by Jon on Jun 1, 2014 22:01:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 22:51:52 GMT
Excellent. Crad was recognised at the time of his death.
One or two factual inaccuracies, mind. Like, er, his name.
Was Bill Luscombe working on the papers by any chance?
Cremation at Plymouth? A final trip for Crad to the "Three Towns".
Torquay crematorium didn't open until 1956 I believe.
C.Dear (Babbacombe) in attendance. Why, of course!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 23:52:53 GMT
I reckon Crad's daughter married one of the mourners and that, should you live in South Devon and be called Malcolmson, you could be a direct descendent of the great man.
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Post by Jon on Jun 2, 2014 21:30:34 GMT
One or two factual inaccuracies, mind. Like, er, his name. Was Bill Luscombe working on the papers by any chance? Where the hell did they get Percival from? Is it, as Barty suggests, a case of asking the man who seems to know everything? Definitely should be Peter. The middle name confusion is a bit more understandable. It's not Craddock or Caradock or even Caradog but Caradoc. The cap in 1909 and the early injury is right, but as we've seen it was at Huddersfield not Swansea. The FA Cup "first round" against Accrington isn't strictly true but sort of is. The Cup format as we know it with 64 teams in Round 3 started in 1925/26 and has run virtually unchanged ever since. TUFC made it to the first round as it is now in 1925/26 and 1926/27 (a bye in the latter!). Before that, the "first round" had 64 teams so was really the equivalent of today's third round. So putting Crad's Town team of 1910/11 into "new money", they would have beaten Oxford City in the first round proper and lost to Stanley in the second round proper. Stanley went on to play Wolves in the "third round" / first round. The final of the Devon Senior Cup was not against the Middlesex Regiment, it was against RGA (Royal Garrison Artillery). After two draws (1-1 at Home Park and 0-0 at Torquay Rec), Town finally won the second replay at Home Park 2-0. Surprisingly, Crad did not score in nay of the three games! It is interesting that the report talks of Crad's playing career at Ellacombe and Town but makes no mention of his having managed United! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 21:15:30 GMT
It is interesting that the report talks of Crad's playing career at Ellacombe and Town but makes no mention of his having managed United! I noticed that as well. Suggests to me the hand of Uncle Bill's Unreliable Memoirs. Watching Somerset at Old Trafford today I had a minute's contemplation in memory of Gerry Deane who faced Lancashire twice there in 1907 and 1910; the second visit being the occasion of his maiden first-class fifty. And, as a bonus today, Torquay United talk in the company of the man who takes the pictures for a string of Westcountry newspapers. |
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Post by Jon on Jun 4, 2014 22:33:17 GMT
Watching Somerset at Old Trafford today I had a minute's contemplation in memory of Gerry Deane who faced Lancashire twice there in 1907 and 1910; the second visit being the occasion of his maiden first-class fifty. Gerry really deserves a thread of his own. The first Torquay United player to play at Old Trafford? And he lived a couple of doors along from Peter Cook's granny. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 19:08:58 GMT
I'm pleased to say Jon was able to regale one of FC United's finest, a man with impeccable North Walian connections, with tales of the legendary Crad Evans. Less impressively I had to admit that details of Crad's international career had been in my possession for many years without me realising. It's all there on page 148 of the Amateur Football Yearbook 1948-49 which I found in a shop in Porlock many years ago:  Alas, Crad is recorded as an Exeter City player rather than a representative of Ellacombe. It's probably now too late for Jon to contact Cdr JN Knight, DSC, RN (ret) - the joint editor - to inform him of this serious error. I mentioned to Jon that there were very few pre-1948 amateur internationals from this part of the country. True to form Jon came up with the name of an English international called Raymond. He wasn't wrong:  Much later there was also a E Holman of St Austell. I'd very much like to think this might have been Alpine Joe's boyhood hero. A true Legend of the Clay Pits one would hope:  There's also a Welsh amateur international who played whilst in the colours of Blackwell's, Plymouth. At least that's how I read it and, indeed, that's how it appears elsewhere. Was Blackwell's a school or college? A maritime institution or a factory? Or an ordinary football club? I'm really not sure. Somebody may be keen to find out:  |
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Post by Jon on Feb 16, 2015 0:04:54 GMT
Jon came up with the name of an English international called Raymond. Much later there was also a E Holman of St Austell. There's also a Welsh amateur international who played whilst in the colours of Blackwell's, Plymouth. At least that's how I read it and, indeed, that's how it appears elsewhere. Was Blackwell's a school or college? A maritime institution or a factory? Or an ordinary football club? I'm really not sure. Raymond's big claim to fame was of course managing Torquay United - but not for long. Surprised that a St Austell player made the England team in 1947. Blackwell's Plymouth has me puzzled. Can't find anything at all about them! Seems doubtful to me. Can you confirm that there is no mention of either AWC Bayes or H Tabernacle in the England players list? Another couple of "Luscombe myths" debunked. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 9:27:20 GMT
I can confirm no Bayes nor Tabernacle amongst the list of amateur internationals. E Holman turns out to be Nicky Holman, an all-round sportsman of some distinction originally from St Just: www.westbriton.co.uk/Tregeseal-Transvaal/story-11406393-detail/story.htmlI wasn't able to find any reference to Blackwell's, Plymouth. It could be one of those simple errors that was relayed and copied in perpetuity. The Earls of Plymouth were big landowners around Barry and Penarth so perhaps that's the link. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 11:35:28 GMT
Alas the ceremony of unveiling Crad's blue plaque at his boyhood home in Wrexham has been postponed indefinitely on the grounds of ill health. Any attempt to have travelled may have resulted in the medical services being called to a train somewhere along the Borders Line. Fitness is anticipated for Tuesday night.
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Post by Jon on Feb 22, 2015 14:31:11 GMT
Alas the ceremony of unveiling Chad's blue plaque at his boyhood home in Wrexham has been postponed indefinitely on the grounds of ill health. Any attempt to have travelled may have resulted in the medical services being called to a train somewhere along the Borders Line. Fitness is anticipated for Tuesday night. Oh dear. Nothing too serious I hope. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 13:20:48 GMT
Oh dear. Nothing too serious I hope. I'll not go into too much detail but let's say I'm feeling rather "drained" at the moment. Travelling to Wrexham was simply beyond my capabilities. Anything further than Bristol would have left me wrecked for half a week. I did make it as far as Bideford. Not quite the same but enjoyable nonetheless. There's a wider footballing metaphor here. Best staying clear of it for the time being. |
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Post by Jon on Feb 28, 2015 18:08:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 17:00:50 GMT
TT 22/12/05 Would this have been part of a Torquay Times series about football celebrities? It's intriguing how Crad's brother is described as captain of the "famous" Blackburn Rovers. You wonder just how well he would have been known to the average Torquay Times reader in 1905. My guess is rather better than, say, the Blackburn Olympic players - or those of any other club - just twenty years previously. Two things would have happened in that time. One, the rapid growth of football as a spectator sport. Two, the arrival of a whole array of "popular" national newspapers. In the 1880s you may have needed to have been a reader of the Times - or one of the august London journals - to have any idea about the FA Cup or leading football personalities. By 1905 you'd be reading of them in the popular press which would have, presumably, have led to an exponential growth in interest in the big sporting events of the day. |
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