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Post by merse on Sept 21, 2008 8:35:42 GMT
 When running a business Dave, there is the obligation to observe "commercial sensitivity" and "business integrity" like wise an employer is obliged to observe the right of an employee not to have his privacy revealed unnecessarily. Torquay United football club is a business run by a board of directors not a pub football team and as such those charged with the responsibility of running it or working for it have no right (let alone obligation) to reveal such detail to the public at large.
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Post by Dave on Sept 21, 2008 9:40:45 GMT
When running a business Dave, there is the obligation to observe "commercial sensitivity" and "business integrity" like wise an employer is obliged to observe the right of an employee not to have his privacy revealed unnecessarily. Torquay United football club is a business run by a board of directors not a pub football team and as such those charged with the responsibility of running it or working for it have no right (let alone obligation) to reveal such detail to the public at large. I have to disagree with some Of your points Merse, yes TUFC has to be run as a business, but It is so different from most other commercial types of companies. Those that shop at Tesco's every week, do not feel Its their store, that they belong to It and that it somehow belongs to them. Another stores opens up that Is closer and offers cheaper prices, then you will find the same Tesco shopper Is now shopping at the new store. A football club Is so different, the fans feel part Of the club, they feel its theirs and even those who run it, state Its not their club, but they are mere custodians of the club. So I still believe that fans should be given more information, I still feel that the club should work harder to get closer to the fans, look at the gates Merse, playing the secret game Is having some effect on how fans feel and view the club. I have been told It Is just me and a few others who feel this way, well that Is not true, I'm shocked to listen to so many who share my view and keeping fans so much on the outside will in the end cost the club paying fans. Now by doing that it does not seem to me to be a very commercially successful way to carry on. So TUFC I'm pleased the football Is getting better, pleased with all the improvements that have been done, but now Its time to try and embrace the fans, who without, there would be no football club, to try and be commercially sensitive over, as It would in the end just become a Sunday pub team. |
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Post by merse on Sept 21, 2008 9:53:50 GMT
A football club Is so different, the fans feel part Of the club, they feel its theirs and even those who run it, state Its not their club, but they are mere custodians of the club. So I still believe that fans should be given more information, Maybe but it's still no business of you, me or any general busy body just what is discussed between Neil Mills and the Football club. What is your business is just how it effects your use of the facility and for the life of me having the half time access re-introduced is the only thing that really matters to those that enjoy patronising the pub during the interval and to those that don't, it matters not a fig! Probing, prying and generally poking one's nose in to other people's business is to my way of thinking intrusive and unnecessary. |
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Post by Dave on Sept 21, 2008 10:19:59 GMT
To many decent people, It does matter how the club does Its business, No one has said anything has been done wrong or improper, only that some had said that the club wanted Boots back and made It hard for the landlord to keep going.
As I have said, I have no idea If that Is the case, but If you think that all fans should do Is turn up at the gate, pay over their money, watch the game, then go home and take no further interest in the events at the club, then you need to come into the 21st century.
I fail to understand that you should have a problem with any fan who feels he Is a part Of the club, you can't have it that a club belongs to Its fans, then let them be such a small part Of what goes on at the club. That Is my view and despite what you may think, Is the view Of so many fans.
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Post by Dave on Sept 21, 2008 10:26:54 GMT
I would also point out Merse, It was YOU who started this thread, so by doing so threw it open to debate.
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Post by merse on Sept 21, 2008 10:43:53 GMT
A member of Boots bar staff is saying that the pub will revert to being directly run by the Football Club from the end of this week.  That is what I said Dave, which is of interest and pertinent to supporters. nothing about "conspiracy theories", nothing about business details; just relaying what a staff member of the pub told a customer. You responded stating your objection to it being franchised in the first place. It was franchised by the way, because Mike Bateson chose to run the club with a shoe string staff and realised that overseeing the pub was a full time affair for which he had no-one available. There was always a conflict of interests on a match day and either he (Bateson) or Cedric were always anxious to invite as many" upstairs" to "their bar" as they could. I really think Dave that with your natural busybody tendency, you would be advised to invest £38 in MyFC and then you could partake in such world changing decisions in the life of Ebbsfleet FC such as the price of Mars Bars in the buffet and the colour of the number on the keeper's shirt! ;D I don't think for one moment that a single fan will turn their back on the club for making a decision relating to a part of the business of the club and finding something else to do on a Saturday....................or does an afternoon at Berry Head appeal to you more Dave?  |
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Post by Dave on Sept 21, 2008 16:26:28 GMT
I love Berryhead, the balloon looks so much smaller from there. ;D ;D
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Post by pikeygull on Sept 21, 2008 17:34:21 GMT
so I have had a drink today but where did your post go DaveR?
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Post by Dave on Sept 21, 2008 18:02:53 GMT
so I have had a drink today but where did your post go DaveR? It should not have been made and two then followed it and I felt It was not what should have been on this thread. I deleted It, It does happen from time to time, there are times I should stay away from the PC mate, when will I ever learn |
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Post by Dave on Sept 21, 2008 18:16:03 GMT
I would add only the first part was out Of order, I will be more than happy to repost the second half.
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Post by Jon on Sept 21, 2008 19:24:43 GMT
we can also be comfortable in the fact that there is a high degree of integrity amongst that board and I know they wouldn't pull an unfair "stunt" Merse, I know you are right on the first bit. I hope you are right on the second bit. |
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Post by Jon on Sept 21, 2008 19:33:08 GMT
Dave and Jon, you really are a lovely fluffy bunnies. It would be fantastic to believe life is fair and everyone is decent and the universe Karmicly (is that a word?) punishes those who take advantage. Anyone in business will tell you that it's dog eat dog. Play the decent card and some **** will shaft you. Obviously this doesn't include Banks, who can act like ****s and be bailed out by the govt. TUFC is a business. The board have an obligation to not squander money unnecessarily. That includes getting the best deal possible regarding B&L. Also, they have to act when they see revenue streams drying up due to inept management. No bleeding hearts or liberal politically correct bollox. Just hard nosed business decisions. Dave, You seem to have a very blinkered, simplistic black and white view of humanity. Are you saying that any businessman would stab his granny in the back for a fiver? Are you saying that people who would not are "lovely fluffy bunnies" and "bleeding hearts" who believe in "liberal politically correct bollox"? I don't know what book you got that from, but I cannot believe you got it from observing real life. From my experience the vast majority of human beings, including businessmen, are neither totally devoid of ethics nor "lovely fluffy bunnies". |
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Post by daveshaw on Sept 22, 2008 10:50:25 GMT
Jon, any business would indeed stab their granny in the back, so to speak. Ask anyone who has had their car serviced and got the "extras". Called a plumber lately? Asked a builder to give you an estimate? Consulted a solicitor, dentist, accountant? Been to the 3rd world and seen the way western businesses treat the locals? How about talked to your Bank ,cos they are really fair arn't they? Anyone dealing with that bunch know they would not only stab her but charge you for it.
I think i might have a tad more experience of "real life" and had the blinkers well and truely ripped off than you mate by the looks of it. (No offence mate, i don't mean to come across as pompous) The real world IS full of people who will turn you over without a thought.
Now, having said that, this is NOT what is happenning at TUFC. But rather sensible housekeeping. I have some sympathy for the parties involved. But in the scheme of things i think there are more important areas to focus on like getting things right on the pitch.
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Post by midlandstufc on Sept 22, 2008 12:31:08 GMT
Woah there boys! Have I drifted into the "I hate you all" website?? Now come on and behave; this forum is not for personal vitriol but for lively debate on a team we all love! Please do not get personal to anyone juyst because they have a different viewpoint. It is not necessary and only reflects badly on yourself. And also no 'holier than thou' attitudes please! Anyway, if you want my opinion... ...only joking. |
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Post by Mark L on Sept 22, 2008 12:49:26 GMT
Blimey Dave, is that really how you think? You must live a miserable life.
I don't see TUFC as a business trying to snatch all my pennies from me. I see it more as a cause that I'm willing to support because it, for me, was one of the best things I had around me growing up and a big influence in my life. Likewise, I see a bunch of Gulls fans in charge of my invested monies who I have a common interest with. I want them to keep the business afloat whilst bringing joy to the people who meet up with friends at the ground and give them a community focus.
They aren't Tescos, I don't actually 'need' what they have to offer and can't shop around elsewhere for what I get from them. But I do think that public communication has to have its limits as they are legally liable running a commercial business. I hope nothing underhand is happening but I will be more than happy to be investing whilst enjoying a drink at Plainmoor.
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When running a business Dave, there is the obligation to observe "commercial sensitivity" and "business integrity" like wise an employer is obliged to observe the right of an employee not to have his privacy revealed unnecessarily.
