Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Mar 14, 2010 10:10:59 GMT
I can think of four options that Buckle can do in respect of the striker shortage.
I think you're right in that he does have those 4 options, but I think that he will be dipping in to the loan market. Now we have Bevan back, we had in the team only had Branston and Rendell in the starting line-up with Smith and Thomson on the bench as loanees - I think that there certainly isn't the same problem when we had Poke as a certain starter and Smith and Thomson as those likely to start.
Bevan's performance yesterday was timely for a couple of reasons - firstly because I think it would be a real shame if a fit Bevan couldn't show what he could do for us at this level and secondly, it gives us the flexibility with additional loan players. Obviously Poke is out injured as well!! He made some very good saves yesterday and I think when his confidence increases through playing for the next few games he will be back to his best for us and I would hope that sees him land a contract for next season.
I have no doubt that Bucks will be on the look out for another striker this week. We failed to land the Slovakian chap from Bolton - but that was while we had Rendell coming back and still had Barnes, although I don't think Barnes return to Argyle was much of a surprise to Bucks. That seems to indicate that he feels we still need options - unless it was because he wasn't sure how Rendell was going to fare on his return from injury.
Personally I would rather see us sign a midfielder and get Wroe out of the team - like the players that moved-on during the season I think he is one that doesn't offer enough at this level (other than penalty duties!) to make him a "must keep" for next season.
Although Miac accentuates the negative as opposed to the positive, he was perfectly correct in stating that Rendell and Carlisle did as was to be expected, flag towards the end.
For this reason, in my pre match post, I thought Benyon should have remained on the bench and to have come on later.
However, in hindsight, it was Zebroski that went on the run and crossed for Rendell to score our goal. Rendell and Carlisle with ninety minutes on the pitch and a further week's training are unlikely to fade again. Benyon had a very good game - he didn't get any fox in the box chances that we know he is an accomplished finisher but put himself about and obtained possession in that final third of the field.
I can think of four options that Buckle can do in respect of the striker shortage.
1) Keep Rendell and Benyon on for the full ninety minutes. They do work well together and the Zebroski / Carlisle wing combination does give us a very solid feel on the flanks.
2) Trust one of the other wingers to hold down a berth on the left wing allowing Zebroski to go up front with super sub Benyon to come on around the hour mark.
3) Convert one of the other squad members to come on as a sub striker - Thompson has played in the "hole" before.
4) Turn to the loan market once more.
They weren't the only ones though. Zebroski looked a little jaded towards the end and Nicky Wroe looked jaded after 15 minutes.
Of your 4 options Dave. I would say that 1 and 4 are the most likely. 2 isn't the best option because of what you said in option 1 about the nice solid feel of having Carlisle on one flank and Zebroski on the other. I'm not 100% sure that any of our other wing options are experienced or disciplined enough to carry out what's required of them. Adam Smith might be an option here I think.
I think away from home Tyrone T would be ok. Jake Thomson tried this role at Shrewsbury earlier in the season but it didn't work out.
I do expect us to sign another "baffling" loan striker this week though. But whats more important? Another striking option or finding someone to fill Nicky Wroe's green boots? Or both?
"I thought their no 9 (Benyon) was excellent and caused us trouble. I don't know what his scoring record is, but if it is good then he has all the attributes to become an outstanding player. The left winger (Zebroski) was also dangerous."
Praise indeed from an astute and accomplished talent spotter and venrable producer of class footballers.
I'll certainly take that on board in the spirit in which it was given and look forward to my next opportunity to see for myself how Elliot is developing.
I`ve been trying to tell you all this for f**king ages, he has been working on his upper body strength and ball retention!
Aussie - looks like all that hard work is finally paying off!
Chris - like the idea of Smith on the wing - the guy knows how to defend and does add that extra something going forward. IMO O'kane should be given a shot in midfield (as per pre match line up) prior to dipping into the loan market.
The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him.
A fair result in the end.........a poor game played out by 2 poor looking sides in a match devoid of any quality at all apart from the 2 goals both scored 5 minutes before the end of each half. For our goal Zebroski picked up the ball in his own half.......beat 2 men for pace, got to the byline and crossed low to Rendell who swivelled well, as the ball was a shade behind him before placing it neatly in the corner. Their's was definitely coming for a long while and was due to a quite brilliant bit of skill by Miller.........who 10 minutes before had blazed over terribly from the penalty spot. Miller managed to take the ball at pace across our area beating 3 or 4 men before sublimely back-heeling it into the path of Donaldson......who couldn't miss from point blank range.
We dropped too deep in the second half and invited them onto us.......a match we were winning comfortably after an hour against a poor Crewe side, who were ready to be beaten by 2 or 3 goals. 4 points dropped against them over the last month......
The problem we had was that the ball was no longer sticking up front in the 2nd half....when that happens you know your in trouble, we resorted to giving the ball back to them time after time.......Benyon had ran himself into the ground and was rightly subbed.....Rendell needed to be subbed too......having no striker on the bench cost us today.
A quick summary of performances........in goal Bevan had a good game and is looking sharp again. At the back we were good, the full backs defended well....Robbo is looking unbelievably like a right back these days and LRT got better as the game went on and gave his winger nothing............perhaps the plainmoor crowd will finally give this lad a chance now and get behind him. Elllis typically lunged in to give away a soft pen....otherwise he was fine as was Branston as usual.
In Midfield, which we're generally bypassing these days, Wroe had one of his poorer games, when little came off for him. Mansell.........did his best as usual. Carlisle needs a few games now and Zeb was far better than he has been at left midfield for a while.
Up front Rendell scored a fine goal and also had a good header from a corner cleared off the line and then that brings me to Benyon. One can only admire his terrific work rate and committment, he really does try his best and was probably a deserved MOM only for the fact that we produced such little quality today, so Elliott got it for running his socks off.
In the cold light of day though.........he had absolutely no shots on goal again today........and is no real threat. We need a new striker who is one......if we're ever going to threaten the top half of this league next season, providing of course, we stay up.
I expect i'll get shouted down for being anti Benyon........I cringed at the standing ovation he got when he was subbed, you need to offer more than just wholehearted committment when you play in his role.
I'll promise to join in, next time he scores or even manages to make the keeper work a time or two in 90 minutes
In which case why did the manager substitute Benyon who is fully fit and was running their centre halves ragged.
I'd noticed just before he was taken off that Benyon had been once slow to close down and also slow to chase another aimless punt to the corner.
He was clearly by that stage "blowing out of his arse" as he had got through a tremendous amount of work.....
Why not watch the game a little closer, rather than just look for sticks to beat buckle with .........
Both forwards were knackered come the end and Bucks wanted to strengthen midfield so it was a choice between Elliot and Scott as to who was coming off, Scott needs match practise so I guess that`s why Bucks decide on Elliot. I feel we sat too deep in the second half and allowed them to come at us, what we desperately needed was a striker on the bench that could have come on and impacted the game. I would have taken Nicky off and brought on Ty to do battle with fresh legs in the middle along side Manse with Jake coming on for Rendell but I would have moved Zeb up top and played Jake on the wing. A bit more cut and thrust with the back line pushing up much higher than they were, we needed to ease the pressure on us and I feel that`s how we might have achieved it!
Perhaps i should have put that, Elliott despite having no attempts at goal still looked kinda cute [/quote] Not even remotely funny, I know your just telling it as you saw it but everyone else watched Elliot play a very good game and even Dario Gradi bigged him up massively so you might just be slieghtly missaligned in your interpretation of Elliot! The boy played great and if he didn`t play that well it would really have exposed how dire the centre of mid-field was! Wroe had a shocker and Manse worked hard but nothing went well for either of them really, with the ball retention up top we would have got battered by a very average team!
A warm sunny afternoon as I made my way to Plainmoor. The problem was I was late and as I scurried down through St.Marychurch it was almost 2.45pm. As I neared the end of the precinct I couldn't help notice the magnifient collection of birds on their perches...Owls of various sizes & varieties & other breeds of bird I wouldn't like to guess at. I was as enthralled with the beauty of these wonderful creatures as the rest of the adults and children gathered in the area but remembered I had a date with yet another breed...the Gulls.
Feeling guilty at turning up over 10 minutes late from the time agreed I thought maybe the best option would be to lighten the mood with a little humour so I breathlessly asked " is Mo in the starting eleven"? As our section chortled away at such a suggestion I enquired further.." ah so it's only the bench for Mo this week"...luckily this comment was viewed as equally hilariously far fetched and my lateness was soon forgotten.
But the pre match comedy didn't end there as someone glanced at their programme in disbelief before exclaiming "Shoebridge in charge !..they're havin a laugh" ?
Yep it was the infamous Rob Shoebridge..the Ref that Neil Warnock insisted should serve a 12 month ban starting last August for his incompetance in disallowing a Crystal Palace 'goal' at Bristol City that had clearly entered the net before returning to play.
Looking across from the Popside the distinctive figure of Dario Gradi could be easily made out with his trade mark tinted glasses. The last time I'd seen a Gradi team in the flesh was in the very early'80's when his Crystal Palace team lost at the home of that years eventual champions Aston Villa.
Time had moved on & instead of facing a forward line of Tony Morley,Gary Shaw & Peter Withe his side were up against the combined striking might of Zebrowski,Rendell & Benyon.
Both Gradi & Crewe seem to be well liked in football circles. They've stuck with their principles on how the game should be played & stuck with each other. As expected of a Gradi team his side tried to knock the ball about with neat short passes.
Rather than try to beat them at their own game we tried to impose a different style on proceedings, frequently hitting it long out of defence. No Crewe defender could compose himself & play a measured ball out of defence to build an attack as Elliot 'Silly Billy' Benyon was buzzing everywhere, in their faces within seconds, unsettling them.
The first 10 minutes was all we needed to witness some classic Guy Branston play. In that short period of time he'd softened up the whole of the Crewe front line, and on a couple of occasions when the Crewe forward was tackled he stayed tackled..laying face down on the turf for some time before gingerly picking himself up. LRT hadn't had much joy against the pacey Bryon Moore in that opening period and apparantly decided that a more Branstonian approach might be called for. Consequently we saw Moore hobbling off after 12 minutes of the game & Crewe's reshuffle meant LRT then had a far easier afternoon that he'd had up to that point.
I had the misfortune to be standing near a bunch of Wayne Carlisle groupies,their ring leader a loud mouthed Alan Yentob lookalike (if you can imagine such a thing). Plus points being that they cheered Wayne's every move & to their credit were season ticket holders, but the crass comments came thick & fast. Moore should get up as there was "nothing wrong with him" and Donaldson was loudly asked if he was aware of how 'ridiculous'his hair looked.
I'm convinced that such comments achieve little other than to motivate opposition players to ram such comments back down the throats of those who make them & when Donaldson slotted home the equaliser in the 85th minute it was no surprise that his first thought was to run gleefully towards the Pop side while vigorously rubbing his 'fly away'hair.
Two magnificent Mark Ellis headers cleared off the line were a prelude to Rendell sweeping home a 38th minute goal.
H.T and the Gulls lead 1-0. And chat on the Pop side turns to.....Mo ! a lot of concern expressed as to Mo's possible financial hardship if a 'pay as you play' arrangement is in place. Should some sort of Hardship Fund be set up for him..or a one off payment to help him meet bills..maybe along the lines of the Pensioners winter fuel payment ? should the Trust get involved?...maybe a half time collection for him? just as we were debating Mo's life in cardboard city we suddenly found ourselves distracted by a fine pair of black high heeled leather boots tottering out onto the pitch being worn by a far from unattrative dark haired female. As we gazed on..mouths open ..it was revealed that we were in fact ogling Matchball sponsor Emma Butterworth of 'Emma Butterworth Dental' fame.
Now with his history of dental problems I expected 'Chief Groundsman for the Day' Aussie to rush over and ask Emma if she could give his molars a quick once over at the back of the Grandstand after the match but being the consumate professional that he is he kept his mind soley on only one kind of 'forking'
Alan Slough took his eyes off Emma's legs long enough to select 50/50 ticket No.08183... or that might have been the phone number for Emma's surgery by that time I was daydreaming of a thigh boot wearing Emma cracking the whip as I turn up late for a check up.
In a vain effort to get my mind back on football before the 2nd half kicked off I glanced at the programme. Someone had written a few columns about the great Rodney Jack & said it was a 'real shame' that there weren't more clips of him on 'youtube' & other video sites. Well it's the same reason as there won't be many video clips of today's players there either, or still pics of them on Flickr it's because we're not bloody well allowed to take any !
A faster paced and more entertaining 2nd half ensued, a fine glancing header by Chris Robertson being the highlight. Ref Shoebridge had been a bit irritating as free kicks became a drawn out process before he was ready for them to be taken. Luckily this worked to our advantage as he kept the Crewe penalty taker waiting an absolute age while he cleared players from near both corners of the penalty box and then faffed around for another eternity before he eventually blew his whistle for the kick to be taken. Blasted high & wide..thankyou Mr.S
Some great skill lead to a probably deserved equaliser on the balance of play & so the points were shared. 'Silly Billy' Benyon was named as MOTM and we were all urged to reassemble same time same place next Saturday for another game of 'Where's Mo' ?
Last Edit: Mar 14, 2010 21:31:11 GMT by Alpine Joe
I believe young Elliot may well have won over a few of his critics after his display yesterday and all that was really missing was a goal his work rate alone deserved. He has made great progress since he first joined us and while he is never going to have the bulk and big physical presence say of a Steve Phillips, he is learning well to compensate for that by being in defenders faces and not letting them have a second on the ball.
Wroe for what ever reason is not the Rowe we thought would simply step up to league two with no problems what so ever, I really don’t think it’s a case he is struggling in this league as we know he has the ability. I do think wearing the captain’s armband is not helping him and maybe a game or two on the bench might do him good.
Merse said that Branston was not looking to be our captain and I suppose the only other player who could be the captain and in my view do the job well for us is Mansell. There were people behind me yesterday shouting at Wroe to act like a captain and open his mouth a bit more, he was well within earshot of these remarks and afterward I watched him a bit more closely and he was still as quite as a lamb.
Not all players can handle wearing the captains armband and some players do play more poorly when they are wearing it, while Wroe has had a few good games for us this season, I can’t think of one since he became the captain, so would it do any harm to give it to Mansell and see if there is then an improvement and who knows we might see the Wroe back we all know is a far better player than the one we have been watching lately.
I totally agree with you that Wroe has been underperforming since having the Captain's amband. He really has had a poor season by his standards. And the bar is set high as he is a very very good footballer, as we've all seen before. He misses Hargreaves doing so much of the legwork next to him. Nobody can argue anything other than that. It's a shame some want to have a go at him on the field of play, but you'll always get your idiots.
I almost think he would take slight umbrage to giving the armband elsewhere, as he has had it so long. Heck, he even votes for a Captain's player of the month according to the programme! A sensible word in his ear about his performances since having the armband might suffice, but its obviously a tough one for any fan to know how he would react.
Mansell or Wayno for me, as Branston is playing as an onfield Captain handsomely as things stand.