Benyon in fact was one of our best players last night. His workrate was terrific and Merse's weird assertion that he was somehow responsible for our not being able to retain the ball is nowhere near the mark as he managed to win it repeatedly. Barnes was the weaker of the two strikers - he has been very disappointing. We were in fact, hapless and hopeless, in the first half. A team of complete strangers. Buckle must have thrown the tea cups at half time though because we did play alot better in the second half out. The managers after match comment that Rowe-Turner was "outstanding" was astonishing.
Just a few quotes from the Cheltenham official website report...
Torquay started to take control in the second half
Another superb shot from range from Torquay who were really picking up the pace at this point
Mustapha Carayol came on to replace the impressive Lloyd Macklin
A superb strike across Brown’s goal which found the bottom right corner
Torquay clawed it back with an impressive second period
This would confirm the radio coverage that I was listening to, like Breedy said we were much much better in the second half and it was all Torquay bar the odd incedent, what pissed me off was the first half, no forward retention, non existing centre midfield and a back line that was taking a right pounding, if this is anything to go by then we desperately need to plug some obvious gaps and not with kids or dinosuars but actual proven league players!
Will Nicholson ever play for us again? I doubt it, it seems he is just sitting out his contract much to the annoyance of PB more than likely yet he would no doubt offer as much if not more if selected. Pride comes before a fall Mr Buckle.
So how many wingers/wide mid do we have on the books now and only two can actually perform the role of attacker defender that our managers tactics demand. Is it any wonder that Caryoll has been left out in t ecold for so long he simply cannot defend and the same goes for Thomson and Danny Stevens. How we are missing Wayne Carlisle who performs that role along with Zebs admirably. PB as stuck to this system through thick and thin whether he has the players to perform it or not and for me that is part of the problem. When was the last time we tried to adapt tactics to the players that were available?
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Benyon in fact was one of our best players last night. His workrate was terrific and Merse's weird assertion that he was somehow responsible for our not being able to retain the ball is nowhere near the mark as he managed to win it repeatedly. Barnes was the weaker of the two strikers - he has been very disappointing. We were in fact, hapless and hopeless, in the first half. A team of complete strangers. Buckle must have thrown the tea cups at half time though because we did play alot better in the second half out.]The managers after match comment that Rowe-Turner was "outstanding" was astonishing.
Now Ill support a manager through thick and thin but those delusional comments really p++s me off!!
If ever their was a case for both sides to receive no points.......then tonight was the night.
It was poor, desperate stuff alright.......you can see why our manager is taking flack, there is no doubt that our side of the last two years would have made a better fist of beating a very mediocre Cheltenham side......the likes of Rendell, Carlisle and Smith and even Mansell were missed tonight and their re-appearance can't come soon enough.
What we have at the moment is a team of strangers lacking confidence and not producing much quality.........toothless summed up our attacking play, second best and pedestrian in midfield, thankfully pretty solid at the back......all night long we gave the ball away needlessly, our second touch was so often a tackle.
The goals.........a miss hit cross by hayles that wen't through Bevans hands and a really unlikely equalizer by Carayol that seemed to squirm in (had a bad view of it) to the delight and amazement of the good number of away fans. I'm claiming an assist because 5 seconds before the goal i said to the bloke next to me "we could be here all night and we wouldn't score".......i'm sure many who were there felt the same.
Some individual observations;
Bevan - made a dreadful error, didn't let it affect him, othewise had a good game. Robertson - distribution poor, not a RB. Rowe-Turner - I can see the promise but tough for inexperienced players in our side......Nicho would be more effective at the mo. Branston/Ellis - up against two wily old pro's, coped pretty well.
Wroe - seems to have the world on his shoulders at the mo, a good player in a good side, plenty of endeavour but no end product, set pieces poor tonight. Thompson - needs to be taken out of the side, his confidence looks shot. Macklin - had a poor night, couldn't beat his man, had one very good shot though...........i believe their's a player in there though. Zebroski - achieved little out wide, his strength is coming inside to feed off a big man......he went hungry tonight.
Barnes - shows glimpses of talent and strength, being played as a target man, not big or physical enough for that role. Benyon - bucks falls for it every time, he scores from the bench and then is ineffective when started with......battled hard as ever but no threat tonight.
Subs Thomson - nice to see he hasn't left, should have come on earlier, a couple of nice runs. Carayol - scored with a typical Muzzy shot....lacking conviction! Smith - didn't start or come on......?
A defeat tonight would have been terrible for us, so to come out with a draw and the fact that results went for us was a nice bit of fortune.
We're going to need to play a lot better than this to get that elusive win though....
Well Justin I said to you last night "I'll let you do the report" and you got it just about spot on.
Ive read the Cheltenham site and interesting to see that they think we were mostly all over them in the second half. Well yes we were in there half a lot but we were so disjointed you just couldnt see what plan we had to actually go and score a goal, apart from a Robertson throw and those hung in the air too much. Smith MUST come in for Robertson on saturday and Mansell in for Ty Thompson who was poor on friday and worse last night. Dont know why Macklin is here as we have Carayol/Stevens or even Okane could have done what he did. A waste of a loan... One thing that wont happen but should is Branston becoming captain. Yet again he was out there shouting and pointing whilst Wroe was as quiet as a church mouse. Also like friday when they scored he walked back to the centre circle and never tried to gee his team up like Hargreaves or Branston would. Its affecting his performances now and we need him to get back to his best level to help us get out of this. A strange journey home as although everyone was delighted with a point it still felt like we had lost the game...
Just read D.T`s write up in the H/E and it backs up the match commentary from Steve Breed and co and also backs up a few peoples match reports, bottom line I think is we had a striker that doesn`t appear to be able score goals and no mid-field complimented by two unsuitable full/wing backs, could go some way to explaining why the striker can`t score but surely with the chances he gets at this level he should do a bit better, saying that we leak because there is nothing kept up top and no barrier in the centre. Don`t know if anyone has noticed but the opposition teams all seem to be instucted to attack down our left and expose our mid-field weakness`s, surely this rings alarm bells!
It would appear from listening to the wireless, various match reports and actual matches seen recently that we are in desperate need of:
A big forward who can hold the ball up
A midfield general (or someone like Greavsie, doing well at Oxford I see (too old, bah - seem to remember a few seasons back they wouldn't give Andy Marriott a two year contract - he's still playing and at a higher level).
Giving the captains arm band to Branston.
Anyone in the know, know anything?
Gary Owers - The Man That Took Us To The Conference South.
Clarke Osborne - "we plan relocation to a new purpose-built stadium by 2020"
I don't have a pro blem with Bucks 'bigging-up' the performances of players. They are still low on confidence and some of the young 'uns are are really struggling at the moment with B
....exactly right OTB, it's naive to take the managers post match comments as gospel, most of the time it's wise to take them with a large pinch of salt.
Like most managers....Buckle will use the press to boost the team's or an individual players confidence, to say he is deluded is ridiculous, he knows a damn sight more about his players than any of us do.
In Rowe-Turners case, here is a young player making his full debut, he was neither awful or good (OK at best?)Buckle will know the lad's character and he obviously feels that he's probably not particulary confident........a few well chosen words cost nothing but would mean a lot to the lad.
Benyon and Branston were our best two players last night. Long aimless punts hacked towards Benners, and he was strong he linked play well and we worked his guts out. Barnes is what he is. 19 years old, talent but just not what we need. Neither had a really decent chance made for them, was all their own work any sniffs they got at goal.
We were atrocious first half, much better in the second without really threatening. The goal was out of nothing and one of the rare attempts on target. Having said that their goal was pure luck/bad play from Bevan and never should have happened.
Benyon in fact was one of our best players last night. His workrate was terrific and Merse's weird assertion that he was somehow responsible for our not being able to retain the ball is nowhere near the mark as he managed to win it repeatedly. Barnes was the weaker of the two strikers - he has been very disappointing.
Retaining possession up front is nothing to do with "playing well". It is not a weird assertion to state that Benyon is ill equipped for ball retention; hard work and winning possession should not be confused with holding up the ball and consistently bringing others into play. Over three seasons there is no evidence to suggest Benyon either does this or will be able to do it in the future ~ he is simply not that type of player. He is what he is................a goal sniffer who sets opposing sides most problems when used from the bench when the game is stretched a bit.
There seems to be an assertion on here that observations about a player's strengths and weaknesses are unbridled criticism. They are not, they are observations.
On what I have seen of Paul Buckle's different approaches to getting the best from his players in the three seasons he has managed us I would have to suggest that the style of getting the ball into the channels early has probably served us best over that period, but that it has been found somewhat predictable to read and therefore ineffective in League 2.
If we are to persist with a more finely tuned passing game and patient build up then the aquisition of a player who CAN fulfil the retentive role up front is essential.......................just observe any side that plays that way and you will see that to do so they retain possession up top, or if they don't they get caught on the counter attack.
Tim Sills could do it in the less pace demanding BSP but proved innefective in the Football League, as indeed he had on two previous occasions, and I would suggest that the best equipped player we currently have to do that is Chris Zebroski.
I cannot comment on Ashley Barnes as the only time I have seen him play it was in an Eastbourne side that played the ball quickly and aggressively into the channels and turned our central defence of Todd and Hodges for fun that night.
Personally, I don't think any side should contemplate playing the patient ball retentive style until they have that all important "ball holder" in situ.