I dont want to see us playing Histon in a league game next year !
I don't either but I think we may be! As supporters we have got to get behind them. I am sure loads will remember that first escape with a 2-2 draw against Crewe and the players looked frightened to death from the kick off and were petrified after we equalised and were just hoping for the final whistle.
Although not looking good we did get an away point tonight and we are still keeping that one pace ahead of Grimsby (albeit we have got to go to their place but we should be able to close them down and get a point) - I hope of course that we don't need to even think about it at that stage as it's so close to the end of the season if it's really close it will be a real bum squeaker (probably after all that rubbish 'The Breakfast Plate' Connoisseurs eat!)
Four out of the next five at home now - mind you we are not really any better at home!
I expected a point tonight so am not too down but if we don't win soon I will be. We hadn't even had any snow in the country the last time we won!!!
We were better in the second half, "much" better is stretching it a bit.
I trust your views witney, but that Steve B was making it sound like we were all over them in the second half ;D
His view must have been better than mine!! All over them? Not convinced by that, we gave away too many free kicks on the edge of our area, every clearence went straight to a red shirt, along with most passes (sorry, aimless lob vaguely forward).
Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Feb 23, 2010 23:50:14 GMT
Just got back - not quite on a par with the team of 03/04, or sadly even 05/06! That was a match devoid of any quality and one in which saw Cheltenham sit back and throw is away when they should have killed us off. It was an improved second 45 mins but generally we were toothless, directionless and well below the standards we were at last season and before. I wontt be cashing the voucher - although if it had come directly from Wroe or Thompson's wages I would. Both were dominated comfortably all night and made the opposition look like world beaters when in reality they were no better than us. The 'Buckle out' chants I disagree with during the game, but there was a little of dissent from the excellent travelling support. Can't say that I blame them though. Macjlinand Barnes were fairly poor, Rowe-Turner was terrible, Nicho is surely better. Barnes offered very little either, but the crossing was dreadful and Wroe andThompson just ran around like headless chickens.
I think that things are still really bleak, but at least there was a bit of spark and perspiration in the 2nd 45. It's just a shame there is no inspration.
If ever their was a case for both sides to receive no points.......then tonight was the night.
It was poor, desperate stuff alright.......you can see why our manager is taking flack, there is no doubt that our side of the last two years would have made a better fist of beating a very mediocre Cheltenham side......the likes of Rendell, Carlisle and Smith and even Mansell were missed tonight and their re-appearance can't come soon enough.
What we have at the moment is a team of strangers lacking confidence and not producing much quality.........toothless summed up our attacking play, second best and pedestrian in midfield, thankfully pretty solid at the back......all night long we gave the ball away needlessly, our second touch was so often a tackle.
The goals.........a miss hit cross by hayles that wen't through Bevans hands and a really unlikely equalizer by Carayol that seemed to squirm in (had a bad view of it) to the delight and amazement of the good number of away fans. I'm claiming an assist because 5 seconds before the goal i said to the bloke next to me "we could be here all night and we wouldn't score".......i'm sure many who were there felt the same.
Some individual observations;
Bevan - made a dreadful error, didn't let it affect him, othewise had a good game. Robertson - distribution poor, not a RB. Rowe-Turner - I can see the promise but tough for inexperienced players in our side......Nicho would be more effective at the mo. Branston/Ellis - up against two wily old pro's, coped pretty well.
Wroe - seems to have the world on his shoulders at the mo, a good player in a good side, plenty of endeavour but no end product, set pieces poor tonight. Thompson - needs to be taken out of the side, his confidence looks shot. Macklin - had a poor night, couldn't beat his man, had one very good shot though...........i believe their's a player in there though. Zebroski - achieved little out wide, his strength is coming inside to feed off a big man......he went hungry tonight.
Barnes - shows glimpses of talent and strength, being played as a target man, not big or physical enough for that role. Benyon - bucks falls for it every time, he scores from the bench and then is ineffective when started with......battled hard as ever but no threat tonight.
Subs Thomson - nice to see he hasn't left, should have come on earlier, a couple of nice runs. Carayol - scored with a typical Muzzy shot....lacking conviction! Smith - didn't start or come on......?
A defeat tonight would have been terrible for us, so to come out with a draw and the fact that results went for us was a nice bit of fortune.
We're going to need to play a lot better than this to get that elusive win though....
Am I alone in this, or did the commentary of on Gullsplayer/BBC Devon give absolutely no indicatiuon of how dire the on the spot reports say the performance was?
You just know that when Benyon starts (and now he is partnered by Barnes) the ball will just not stick up front and therefore the game will always have to be chased when playing away from home. His repetetive and total failure to come to terms with the very basics of a striker playing away from home have been evident for three seasons now, he is (what is it?) 22 years old....................is he EVER going to add this quality to his game? Doesn't look that way to me, and as sure as eggs are eggs with him starting up front we will struggle to boss the game.
Loveable that he is, Steve ("absolutely") Breed is just useless as a summariser and his mood is just that of the travelling fan swinging with the scoreline and allowing the ebullience and elation of that late equaliser to colour his vision...................that is, if the "on the spotters" are to be believed.
What we want is an objective, focussed and knowledgeable, commentator and a summariser with a professional's insight to keep us accurately informed rather than two chancers relating the night's action without recourse to the quality and relevance of the individual contributions from time to time.
In the circumstances, the reports we shall be getting on here bear more relevance than ever.
Listen to the radio in the 2nd half and it sounded we deserved that equalizer. Must restore a bit of confidence with the lads. 11 games in a row without a clean sheet and there lies one part of our problem.
We must get results in the next 5 games: Accrington, Dagenham, Crewe and Lincoln at home Darlington away
9 points at least, anyone?
When will Carlisle return, we really miss him in these difficult times. We could really do with some experience in midfield.
Just a few quotes from the Cheltenham official website report...
Torquay started to take control in the second half
Another superb shot from range from Torquay who were really picking up the pace at this point
Mustapha Carayol came on to replace the impressive Lloyd Macklin
A superb strike across Brown’s goal which found the bottom right corner
Torquay clawed it back with an impressive second period
...Well on reading that, i've had to question whether or not i was being a bit harsh in my summing up of the match!
On reflection i don't think i was, and i'm normally classed as a rosetinter ..........Cheltenham totally sat back in the 2nd half, content to sit on a one goal lead, bar a fine save from Bevan from a free kick, i can't think of another chance they had. We had the majority of the play after the break but never really troubled them bar a couple of decent long range efforts........but not once did you feel that a goal was coming...
As some would like to blame Benyon again for everything I believe there were 10 others in Gulls shirts out there, Barnes also didn`t hold the ball up, Bucks shouldn`t have started Benyon in my opinion he should have started with Zeb up top instead of left wing and had Thomson on the left instead with O`Kane in behind Zeb to feed off Zebs knock downs and passes, how we miss Wayne, sorry but I just don`t rate Barnes as a Championship level player you would have thought he`d got a couple of goals by now! Nicky (shows up sometimes ) Wroe has got to sort himself out, when he turns up he`s great but when he doesn`t we cannot win for toffee, what the hell is Robertson doing starting at right back when we have Smith sat there twiddling his thumbs! Glad Mark and the Pickler were there or it could have been a whole lot worse! This left back position has got to be sorted out, we have four full backs that can play down that side and every time the incumbant has a mare! Macklin sounds too light wieght for my liking and is no substitute for Carlisle. We need a battling experienced centre mid, oh yeah we had one but his legs are going and can no longer last the full 90 at pace so why didn`t we get a replacement? Not happy, last night sounded dreafull on the radio especially the first half but I did enjoy Steve Breeds enthusiasm and passion for our team, it certainly beats those dead flat soul-less commentators that couldn`t get exited even if Cherryl Cole was stripping naked in front of them! Bevan
Smith Ellis Branston One of the four we have
Wayne or new winger God only knows Wroe if he turns up Thomson
It`s my opinion we need a left back that can actually play football and is faster than paint drying, cover for Wayne, a pair of centre mids, one of which turns up every week and has a bit of battling experience and possibly a striker that can actually find the back of the net without having to come off the bench to do it, then we would be o.k, personally I`m begining to brick it a bit but we shall soldier on!