Biteme, I think that is Greens main problem, simply is a lack of a good run in the side, Weymouth did push up higher in the second half and Green had the pace to get on those through balls. Like you say, he made the wrong decisions and I think with a few more goals under his belt and feeling a bit more confident in front of goal, he would be taking such chances.
I can think of a few things the ref blew for, that I had and still don't have a clue why he blew, so many poor refs in the BSP, can we please get back to a proper league where the refs are not perfect, but are so much better.
I remembered soon enough why I never stand behind the goal to watch any match. Trying to see what is going on up the other end is near impossible, the only plus was to watch Bevan up close and see the game as he would see it.
If it was not for Bevan, we would have lost todays game by at least three goals, he was the only player who stood out for the team today, the rest must have had too much turkey yesterday
Weymouth were playing the much better football and used their wingers to such good effect. They passed much better than we did and were able to play the ball out to their wingers, who seemed to have all the space in the world to receive the ball.
You love to take the piss out of my preference for location to view a game from, but your opening remarks serve only to undermine your argument Dave!
So my view from a "best seat in the house" is a little different to yours and it is this.........................
Bevan had a superb game (perhaps his best yet for us) and certainly earned his win bonus today. "Perhaps" is a loose word and yes, perhaps Weymouth could have scored on two or three occasions; but then so could we have bagged two or three more.
In short I would describe this as a result far more than a performance...................well a performance of pragmatism and character over one of silky skills and fluent passing. Weymouth's primary aim was to deny us room to pass on an awful surface that was cut far too short denying the ball any "cushion" whatsoever and in that Godforsaken exposed location with it's swirling and unpredictable wind, an environment that was absolutely lacking any consistency at all when attempting to weight or decide range in one's passing.
Despite that, I thought Nicky Wroe's ability to time and weight his passes stood head and shoulders above all others on the pitch today,and his tracking back and getting his foot in are coming on a treat as well.
The game was reminiscent of one of those awful wintry Easter derbies played out on a hard surface in blustery conditions and thankfully it was Weymouth who had to chase the game rather than ourselves.
Yes, Weymouth's wingers found room but what did they do with it? So did Weymouth play the better football or the most easy on the eye football? It certainly wasn't the most effective football as the result shows.
I thought our defence was superb - every one of them and I thought the players who struggled were the ones who like to run with the ball what with the inconsistent wind that made accurate crossing almost impossible and greasy underfoot conditions that made changing direction and keeping one's balance hazardous indeed.
I thought Beavon stood out a mile for them and one who could be a great addition to our squad one day - he's definitely a player "on the up" and one to keep an eye on.
Games like today have to be viewed in the context of one in a series of rapid fire games (just 48 hours to the next one) and thus conservation of energy and intelligent use of the ball and players is of the utmost importance.
You have commented on the embarrassment of the youngsters behind the goal, well what of that running sore and well known drunkard John Bartlett? Fifteen minutes from time there was the bellowing imbecile leaning over the wall goading Paul Buckle and haranguing him in a red faced drunken fury as if the professionals in OUR club are going to listen to a village idiot like that. There's no doubt where all that pointless anti Buckle rubbish emanates from and judging by the calibre of brain it comes from - the true worth of it.
Not a classic, derbies rarely are; but a great result and good following of generally impressive support....................and nice to meet (and finally discover the identity of) Barton Downs - who also has a preference to "sit on high") I'll take a result over a performance any day thankyou!
I would further point out Merse that Barton Downs always stands on the popside and does not sit in the higher seats in the main stand at Plainmoor, so I think you have got it wrong when you state what his preference is.
My preference is to watch football from the side (towards the halfway line if possible) - and from height, should this be available. I always aim for this when I'm at a game as a neutral. Watching Torquay it can be affected by issues such as segregation, cost, the need to be sociable, general ambience of the ground and cussed middle-aged mood. At Plainmoor, the popular side - the less crowded area towards the Babbacombe half - suits me. Should a spanking new main stand be built, I shall move over there (or, if fate has it, I'll be in the Sutton Seeds Penwill Way stand - I'll certainly be too old for the more raucous atmosphere of the Crocodile Swamp Zoo End).
Away from home I'm tending to take advantage of non/semi -segregated seating areas - which sometimes exist even when standing areas are segregated - by heading for the main stand (eg Crawley, AFC Wimbledon, Eastbourne, Weymouth). Otherwise stood on the side at Woking (an easy choice), enjoyed it behind the goal at Forest Green and opted for sociability (and sunshine) on the open terrace at Gravesend.
An unusual trip for me yesterday because I travelled courtesy of the Gulls Travel Club for the first time in over ten years. My thanks to the organisers, especially for a pleasant pub stop in Winterbourne Abbas. There were moments - travelling over the A35 near Askerswell and coming back home in a coach with little heating (the driver was very apologetic about this) - that I felt I was on an away trip to Bournemouth in 1971 or 1972. Some things in life don't change that much....only the old-time mandatory stop at Bridport bus station was missing....but I certainly don't feel I'm fifteen-years-old this morning! And, yes, on our coach we had a certain supporter named in this and other threads. He doesn't seem to change too much either, does he? Talk about being old enough to know better....
To the match, where from "on high", I had the pleasure of a half-time natter with Merse and the discomfort of an icy, difficult wind blowing up the gap from Weymouth Bay (with the next landfall, at our height, being just south of Boulogne). Actually enjoyed the first-half - it always helps to be pleased about being somewhere at a certain time, doesn't it? - and was interested to watch some of Weymouth's players: Beavon (who I'd seen play at a lower level for Didcot), Williams on the left, Coutts in midfield and, of course, our old acquaintance Chris McPhee playing at the back. But, overall, a game to absorb the attention (which it did) rather than entertain. I thought we were worth the lead at half-time - from "on high" the deflection for the goal was considerable - and, as others have commented, it could have gone either way (or neither) in the second-half (a second goal for us around 55/60 minutes would have made it comfortable I feel). Strangely the finger nails are in an decent state this morning - even though I forgot my bloody gloves yesterday - so I must be gaining confidence in us having "know how" to succeed. Bevan was excellent - and (despite those missed opportunities yesterday) I'm being encouraged in what I see in Green. Otherwise it was one of those days when six-out-of-ten individual performances saw us through and one which, hopefully (famous last words notwithstanding), provided further evidence of our knack of winning contrasting games in contrasting ways.
Last Edit: Dec 27, 2008 9:49:08 GMT by bartondowns
Wasn't the best of games that's for sure. And boy was it cold. Fair play to those stood on the side. I tried it a couple of times as I was getting a slightly better view, but moved back, preferring to be able to feel my limbs!!
If it wasn't for a lucky deflection (was it just me that thought it was Wroe's shot??) and some superb saves from Bevan we would have never come have away with 3 points. In my opinion 3 points we probably didn't deserve. I spent most of the second half wishing the game would just be over. Especially when Green missed a couple of chances and I was getting the feeling we might end up paying the price. I haven't seen a lot of Green, but he definitely appeared to lack confidence. A couple of times he waited too long or didn't get the ball under control well enough and the chance was gone.
Nothing really to report in the other areas of the pitch. Carayol and Carlisle offered very little on the wings. Battling performances in the centre of the pitch, but we rarely put the passes together. Maybe it was never going to be one of those games.
Bevan was my MOTM. Time and again he pulled off some really good saves. If that signature is on, or almost on that contract, it is excellent news. The more I see of him the more I believe he may just the one player who will change the course of our season. He got an excellent reception from the fans and was singled out when the players went off at the end.
Another 3 points ... and that's what really matters at the end of the day ... and we move up to second. That Burton match is going to be massive. It's this seasons Aldershot match for sure!!
Oh ... and just remembered ... apologisies if you were the person on the way there with a reg of T**UFC who got blasted by a black Alfa GTV. It was meant as a friendly blast on the horn, but as I had nothing Torquay on the car you probably thought it was road rage!!!
Didn't think much of the Weymouth home support - heard nothing in the first half and this included their best spell of play in the first 10 or 15 minutes. If it wasn't for the away support then it would have made Plain-morgue sound like it was very much alive, kicking and on highly potent drugs!
A very long chant of "yellow army" appropriately culminated in the goal from Green. (More of that please pop-side) Hard to see the detail from behind the other goal but Green somehow got up off the deck between both ball and defender and went on to score.
I thought we shaded the match and deserved to win. Although a good goalkeeping display in particular was required to keep a clean sheet, with a better touch and a bit more confidence, Green could have had his hat-trick and Hodges was very unlucky not to score due to a great defensive header with their goal keeper well beat!
The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him.
rjdgull the way the mood is in Weymouth about the future of the club, they did well to get as many fans to even go. Some are already resigned to no longer even having a club to support, so it goes some way to explaining their lack of any real passion.
Does anybody know how many of the 2323 were Torquay fans. It looked like the biggest away crowd that I've been part of this season.
Also forgot to mention in my earlier post about the catering behind the goal. By 3.30 ... maybe a lot earlier ... they had run out of hot food and also milk. Couldn't be bothered to queue over on the side for a burger so went with a soup. Not great.
No figure was given out I understand, but I would have said we had about 1000, Ant thought it was a bit higher than that. I know they would not get that many away fans at the ground, but I think they should have known we would be bring a high number.
So the question is why did they not make sure that they had more food to be able to sell. If it is run by someone outside the club, well they sure did not make as much money as they could have, on a cold old Boxing day.
Just checked the Dorset Echo site to see if any mention of the away following and discovered Malcolm Curtis actually left Weymouth on Tuesday (sorry if this is repeating something I may have missed on this site). Club now in control of a consortium of past and present directors and "un-named businessmen". New group includes the club secretary, a Terras Trust representative and has support from the supporters club, Terras Trust, WFC Youth and "Save Our Club" campaign.
Official statement in part reads: "Outgoing Chairman Malcolm Curtis has pledged a further £150,000 to the club and further investment and support will come from local businessmen. The deal guarantees that the Terras will be able to play at the Wessex until a new stadium is built. Plans for the Terras new stadium development and subsequent development of The Wessex Stadium will continue to be the responsibility of Wessex Delivery LLP".
Sounds like a partial solution to me - plugging the hole for the time being - but do they have money? Curtis may not own the club any longer but is he still part of the new stadium plans?
I can't really disagree at all with any of the comments posted on here. It was my first ever visit to the Wessex Stadium yesterday. I have to say that its a bit of a souless shed in the middle of nowhere. Fair play to anyone braving the Eiger Stand. It was certainly nippy in the away if like me you were stood towards the back of the stand and had cold air blowing down your neck all game.
There was a distinct lack of atmosphere from the home fans The Jack Compton stand briefly "erupted" into life (relatively speaking) at half time with the news that Dorchester were losing at Bath City. But I don't want to single out Weymouth for a lack of atmosphere as I don't think that there's anyone on here who doesn't remember the Roberts period and doesn't recall how the prospect of not having a team to support made us all virtual zombies.
As for the game. It was a very scrappy. When we actually got control of the ball and played on the deck we looked like a much better side. However most for me warranted little more that 6/10 apart from Bevan who was excellent, Lee Hodges had an assured game and Nicky Wroe, more so in the first half, made some intelligent passes and himself available with some excellent movement. Sills worked his socks off in the second half and Green was the one man who looked like being a cutting edge. Carayol had a very poor game. I still think he's worth persisting with though. I do wish he'd get stuck in and work a bit harder without the ball instead of prancing around like a spoilt Viennese horse.
We were, in the last 20 minutes, also treated to a wonderful sunset. I was most upset that I'd forgotten the good camera. Sometimes you're better off in the cheap seats.
Does anybody know how many of the 2323 were Torquay fans. It looked like the biggest away crowd that I've been part of this season. Also forgot to mention in my earlier post about the catering behind the goal. By 3.30 ... maybe a lot earlier ... they had run out of hot food and also milk. Couldn't be bothered to queue over on the side for a burger so went with a soup. Not great.
This is a recurring theme on our travels and having been involved in the commercial side of the game when we treated large travelling contingents like manna from heaven, I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever when clubs like Ebbsfleet, Woking and Weymouth plead poverty.
It's not rocket science to acquire the knowledge of our average away following and apply that intelligently to the distance travelled and date of the game. Neither does it require the intelligence of a genius to cater for the greater than extra numbers by offering a one off franchise to local caterers - hell there are enough of them in sleepy seaside towns like Weymouth eking out the winter months.
I found the whole experience of the Wessex Stadium to be one of bog basic concrete and security grilled coldness and lacking in creature comforts. Stuck in the arse end of a town in which ninety per cent of the population would be unaware of their whereabouts.
Would I wish OUR club to be located thus? Certainly not, so keep it away from the Ring Road/Clennon Valley (as it is now) and Barton Tip for that matter.
Oh, and I would estimate our following to have been around a thousand or so with a good number cute enough to sit amongst the home fans in a little more comfort for just two quid more judging by the cheering and clapping when we scored.