I'm surprised that Jon has not reactivated this thread by forecasting what the team and formation are likely to be. Perhaps he has finally become as pissed off as I am about how far this club has fallen
I will not lose interest in Torquay United Football Club as long as it exists. It is not National League South in itself that I fear, it is not having a club to support at all.
Sorry, Jon, I can't agree with that. The club has had great days under Eric Webber and Frank O'Farrell, and good days under Cyril Knowles, Kevin Hodges, Leroy and Paul Buckle, but those days have gone forever. I would prefer to spend the rest of my life remembering those days when we had a great club to support, rather than hanging on to a dream that we can ever crawl back to Football League status after playing against the likes of Truro and Weston Super Mare, which we will surely be doing next season. What is the point in continuing to support a club into which I have invested so much time and money, but which has fallen on hard times through no fault of mine?
I have always viewed supporting Torquay in the same way as I view the institution of marriage. . .for better or for worse. ..In recent years we have certainly experienced the worse but I cling to the hope that there are better days ahead. We are going to be relegated this season. ..time to start planning for promotion next season.
Ive never posted on here before, but i have to disagree with the above post. For better or for worse. The institution of marriage allows you to attempt to spice things up, go on a holiday and recapture what made you decide to get married in the first place. However, surely you wouldnt maintain that one person should stay in a marriage if the other becomes abusive, violent perhaps? Thats how i feel about TUFC at this moment in time. I cannot recapture former glories, and I feel abused by the owners. Luckily I have managed to not care enough over the last 5 years for it to not be seriously impact my life. I still care, and think back to some great times I had previously, but am much more content these days watching the odd non league game and the odd rugby match (akin maybe to dating a different type of women after a marriage has failed, but not commiting to another marriage).
[quote author="keynshamgull " source="/post/127577/thread" timestamp="15 Luckily I have managed to not care enough over the last 5 years for it to not be seriously impact my life. I still care, and think back to some great times I had previously You and me both sir !
Whether it be Keynshamgull choosing to 'think back to some great times I had previously' or Stewart stating that 'I would prefer to spend the rest of my life remembering those days when we had a great club to support', I think these choices are eminently understandable and probably to be expected.
It's long been my belief that the position and fortunes of a club when you first start supporting it, will always be your baseline or the 'norm' from which you judge success or failure. For instance, on my very rare visits to Hillsborough, it's noticeable that Wednesday fans in their late 50's or in their 60's don't think the club is doing too badly; at Championship level having been in the play-offs for promotion to the Premier League for the last 2 seasons. This I'm convinced, is because they grew up seeing the side kicking around the bottom of the old third division and only avoiding relegation to the fourth on the last game of the season on one occasion. In contrast, Wednesday fans now in their late 20's and 30's grew up watching a Premier League side, that reached an F.A Cup final, had a few visits to Wembley and qualified for Europe. That was the normal and the expected that they grew up with, and this current Championship level football just won't do.
The more elderly Bournemouth fans rub their eyes in disbelief at every home game when they see the likes of Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Sergio Aguero, or Eden Hazard trotting out at Dean Court for league matches. But this could well be the starting point for the generation of Bournemouth fans coming through. In 20 years time when Bournemouth are in a 2nd or 3rd division again, how discontented they'll be, and how they'll hark back to the superstars they were used to seeing when they grew up.
And because this Forum isn't exactly inundated with youngsters, who of course know little other that the here and now, and can't relate to tales of Eric Webber, we will naturally tend towards wallowing in nostalgia (which I enjoy as much as anybody) far more than some other age groups within our fan base.
Look back at the Bristol Rovers forums of a few seasons back. You'd think the world had come to an end. 'Rovers becoming a non league club, shameful, disaster, just let the club die gracefully, leave me alone with my memories of Bruce Bannister and Alan Warboys, how could our incompetent ownership and Manager have brought our once proud club down to this level ?'
But while the 55 year olds inevitably spout that, the 15 year olds don't want their club wound up in order to preserve the sepia memories of the old timers.
And hasn't it always been thus ? Just a few years on and Rovers are holding their own in League 1, have just pocketed three quarters of a million for selling a player and the talk is of modern stadiums and training facilities.
As the old saying goes: 'The more things change, the more they stay the same'.
Last Edit: Jan 14, 2018 16:01:59 GMT by Alpine Joe
Very astute observation from Joe there; your entry point is your baseline, no doubt. My entry line was the Stubbs' era and everything that came with it.
As I grew older I came to realise that we were actually quite rubbish the majority of times, so the Stubbs' era was something to be cherished. But as with so many things in life it went through cycles of from 'rubbish' to 'not as rubbish as last season'. Never in my mind did I think that we would ever be anything worse than a struggler in the lower echelons of the football league.
When we fell into non-league football the first time, along came the Bristows and Buckle and some great memories along the way. None of us will ever forget Tim's goal that day. And at that stage we were restored to my expectation level. So it pains me a great deal to see our current predicament.
For me I stepped away from physically supporting the club quite a few years ago, mainly because of the geographic restrictions of getting to a game. But supporting a club is akin to your first love; no matter how many years pass or what happens in that time, they always have a little place in your heart. So no matter how low we fall, until the day there may no longer be a club, Torquay's result will still be the first one I look for.