Interesting about Hawley and agree with Billy in that role but very early days yet with Hargreaves preferences for both players and formation. Good to see you looking upwards and although still in the drop zone, teams that I think we should finish above like Mansfield and Bury lost with Accrington and Wycombe only managing to draw. Worth noting that if we had won against Exeter, would be on the same number of points so they are not out of the woods yet either!
The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him.
I agree with JamesB, what the hell was Greavsie thinking about playing three upfront...he should have played at least four! It didn't take a lot for Greavsie to check our goals for column and he rectified it by playing an extra forward. Hawley hasn't been our best forward (let's be fair though, because until yesterday we didn't really have a forward) since his arrival, but yesterday, after being played in a certain position, he had a great game by all accounts. The serial waster Bodin has been found out after less than a week and didn't make the team, so couldn't run around like a ***** as usual. I'm certain that if Danny Stevens had played as many games as Bodin has this season he would have scored at least half a dozen by now. Here's a prediction...if Bodin scores a goal for us from open play-----ever-----i'll show my arse in Tesco's.
So for me, a brilliant start to Greavsie's managerial career. After the game he said that the team now had fight and passion, and if you don't have that much talent, having passion and willing to fight for the cause will hold you in good stead.
Yes indeed. Our first goal yesterday was scored by our central defender who Knill did not use and was from a delivery from our left back who Knill had frozen out of the squad even when our other left back was injured. The second goal was from a delivery from our right back who had played there all last season for Burton and yet Knill refused to play him there. Thank god those sort of dubious decisions are now a thing of a past.
High energy and in their face from the outset today.
That's a good way of describing yesterday's performance. I'm sure Chris Hargreaves is his own man, and will try all sorts of approaches (some more successfully than others), but I was reminded of the style we often saw under Paul Buckle when Hargreaves was at his most effective as a player. That, for me, is encouraging. Indeed, I wonder how yesterday compares to when we went to Wimbledon in the FA Trophy all those years ago? I sense we did a well-thought out "job" on them both times.
A long way to go and, make no mistake, we are still in the thick of a relegation battle. I'd rather be in the thick of a relegation battle than gazing up at one.
Absolutely. Twenty games to go so this requires a more sustained, measured approach than a crash-bang firefighting effort over the frantic final 6-8 weeks. Yet I'm surprised just how upbeat I've become about Hargreaves' appointment. Leaving aside the events of the last few months, it kind of "feels right". I also suspect this particular feeling will persist into next season even if the worse comes to the worst. If we stay up, the man would have done a good job. If we don't, I doubt he would have necessarily done a bad job. And, as Rags says, it's crucial we stay up. But, should we fail, I feel we'll give it a decent shot next season as opposed to quietly withering away. Clearly, as ever, finance - together with expertise and nous - is key. It will always remain a case of distinguishing between what we would like to do and what we are realistically able to achieve.
Nonetheless, bizarrely I suppose, the whole club appears stronger to me than it did a fortnight ago. That may be an entirely illogical and illusionary viewpoint. Perhaps things were never as bad as they seemed; maybe I'm now being sucked into a false impression of matters being better than they actually are. Jon and others are correct in urging caution. But I smell a turn for the better and, vitally, an important change of mood. Good Lord, at this rate of excitement I'll soon be labelled a "jacket spud" (cheese and beans please) elsewhere on the Internet.
Naturally it is far too soon to write history. To state the obvious we may be entering a downward, upward or generally straight line phase of the club's existence. Yet, with respect to future interpretation, my inkling is that the event of and aftermath of Martin Ling's illness - which became apparent a few days short of a year ago - will be regarded eventually as effectively immersing (and possibly submerging) the club throughout 2013. That's not a criticism of anybody merely an observation. If that's the case who would have thought it when it was announced that Martin Ling wouldn't be in charge that night at Exeter?
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I'm surprised just how upbeat I've become about Hargreaves' appointment. Leaving aside the events of the last few months, it kind of "feels right"
A clear case of Felix's infectious enthusiasm for the new appointment rubbing off on you ! And a few nice photo's to record the start of the new era. Barton reminds us of the difficult times and the upheaval of the last 12 months and hopefully we can now look forward to better times. I believe it was the immersion and submersion of the Plainmoor pitch as well as the training facilities last Winter that played a crucial part. Giving us a rutted or soggy pitch with which Ling's squad (comprised of players suited to, and coached to play a short passing game) just couldn't utilize their strengths.
However the Sunday Janner Sports Section for Sunday 10th February 2013, still has Ross Reid headlining his Torquay United page: 'Taylor believes Gulls Can Still Make Play-Offs'. With two, and sometimes three games in hand of clubs above, the idea wasn't totally outlandish if they could have been translated into wins, but sadly we know what happened in reality.
A bit of optimism is long overdue, and let's hope we can look back in another 12 months time and conclude that it was thoroughly justified.
A clear case of Felix's infectious enthusiasm for the new appointment rubbing off on you !
Those of us who browse other Torquay United content on the web will know of Alpine Joe's politically-inspired interpretation of recent events at Plainmoor. This sees a continuing struggle - almost literally to the death - between Lingism and Knillism of very much North Korean proportions.
Now, as a seasoned politico, Alpine Joe will be aware of the slogan "Neither Washington nor Moscow but International Socialism". I wonder if he now wishes to provide his thoughts on "Neither Lingism nor Knillism but Buckleism". Is this a Buckleist Revolution, AJ?
However the Sunday Janner Sports Section for Sunday 10th February 2013, still has Ross Reid headlining his Torquay United page: 'Taylor believes Gulls Can Still Make Play-Offs'. ..... A bit of optimism is long overdue.
I'm missing the Sunday Janner and dear old Ross's eternal optimism. Never a man to suggest a crisis until it's at least three months in the past. I trust somebody will be able to post next Sunday's "Hargreaves Targets Promotion Push" article for those of us outside the Janner's circulation area.
The Sunday Independent? The Back Beach at Teignmouth? A New Era at Plainmoor? It's enough to persuade me to move back to Devon.
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Post by lambrettagull on Jan 13, 2014 13:21:31 GMT
The way we played made it a brilliant trip to London. Always thought Benyon a waste of space, but the role he had today seems to be tailor made for him. Not a goal scorer but he worked so hard for the team today. Mind though, if Hawley and Stockley had not done the same, it would not have worked. I felt playing 3 strikers innovative and using the players to their full advantage. It reminded me how Newport played against us at their place, but we were far more skilful with it Saturday. Loved the way we chased down their defenders before they had even got the ball. Excellent. Playing more compact and tight helped us keep our shape. Although they targeted our left back, Nico did not look exposed as he had support all round him. Even Bob Marley couldn`t get passed him! Always thought we had decent players, just a crap manager in Knill. Seems point proven (touch wood). Hoping Northampton keep with Andy King and not put a new manager in before Saturday. My next game is Oxford, and I reckon they will have to go some to beat us on this performance. The players have made a bench mark, hope they don`t go below it from now on.
I wonder if he now wishes to provide his thoughts on "Neither Lingism nor Knillism but Buckleism". Is this a Buckleist Revolution, AJ?
I'll be very interested to get my first look at Chris Hargreaves' team next Saturday. Of course should there be any noticeable signs indicating a similarity of approach to a Torquay team of an earlier era, it might well give further credence to the belief that it was someone other than PB who was pulling the strings during those successful years.
Did Emperor Buckle have to hastily make himself some new clothes in an attempt to conceal his inadequacies as a Manager when he left Plainmoor ?, and therefore are the only fans who have witnessed true Buckleism, those of Bristol Rovers and Luton Town ?
Of course Chris Hargreaves could come out in the next week or so and declare ' Forget Eddie Howe and the numerous other managers I've worked under, it was the managerial genius of Buckle at Torquay who taught me the secrets of football management'.
To be fair, perhaps Chris is particularly glowing in his praise for PB in his book, and I really should get hold of a copy and find out for myself. Hargreaves has stated that the players put down a marker with their fine performance at Wimbledon. Equally, I believe that in the team he selected, Hargreaves put down his own marker for the players. Attitude and work rate maybe won the day over outright footballing ability in a couple of cases, and had that cost us a couple of short term results to get the principle established, it could still have been a price worth paying.
Whatever system Hargreaves uses will be fine by Torquay fans if it somehow enables us to scrape enough points together to avoid relegation. If that mission can somehow be accomplished, he'd have a Summer to bring in some different players and really establish the team playing in a style that reflects his preferred approach, rather than what can hopefully provide a short term points fix on what will probably be a difficult playing surface after it was badly churned up by the Morecambe game.
The biggest plus point in our fight for survival is that Mr.Knill is no longer our Manager, and as Maggie would say....." Just rejoice at that news".