This conceding of late goals consistently is exactly what happened last time we went down - put in loads of effort, yeah, but kept collapsing at the end. Shows a total lack of character in the side
Errr.......no it doesn't.
Teams chasing games often score late when throwing the kitchen sink - last season we were seeing the games out.....this one we're not so well sadly, the players are by and large the same ones.
Connell at Bradford and Harvey at Plymouth were deflected strikes from range that flew in - today the sub Paterson has hit a "worldie" - it happens!
Give the other teams some credit perhaps - the likes of Mansell, Nicholson, Downes, Saah, Howe are all decent L2 players that, like most L2 players occasionally f**k it up.......but it certainly aint for a "lack of character" - I'm sure they would feel insulted to read that.
Morecambe have been drawing a lot of games lately. Their form is half-decent - I wouldn't read much into the Plymouth result as new managers often have a good impact when they join. And I think Accrington will be fine if they replace their inexperienced manager who seems a bit out of his depth at the moment
As I said, though, "there are worse teams than us" isn't really an excuse - you never know what can happen. Teams will revive when you least expect and surprise candidates for relegation will drop into the picture. Remember Lincoln two years ago - good squad with a big name manager who were comfortably mid-table until very near the end of the season, when they plummeted. At the moment we're using the same players week in week out, and they're not getting results now, let alone come March/April time when they're knackered
No, now is exactly when we need to be "panicking" - or proactive, as I'd rather say. You need to act before you get sucked into it, all confidence is lost and we become fodder for all the teams above us. I'm not saying sack the manager. I'm not saying make Tactical Change X. What's clear is that the problem isn't tactical. 5 matches in a row with decisive goals coming in the last 10 minutes - that's spinelessness, which is particularly odd considering we have 3 defensive midfielders in the squad. It doesn't matter how those goals go in, or how we played in the 80 minutes prior to that - football is a results business, and the table is set by how many wins and draws we can pick up throughout the season. A defeat is a defeat, no matter how you spin it
As I said, it feels like when we went down. Reading what people on this forum and others say about the year we went down, it seems that people like to think that we were just terrible the year we went down, as if it was a kind of blotch on the landscape, an outlier caused by the dreadful chairmanship of Big Bad Chris Roberts. That's not true - there were times where we played very well during that season. We were just absolutely hopeless at holding onto points, and collapsed far too easily. The last 5 games show that this is developing again, at a rapid rate - I can't remember a run of games like this, and I can remember plenty of games thrown away late on in the past. A total lack of confidence overrides all other factors. That's a recipe for disaster. That's why we need reinforcements
I heard the statements " To good to go down" and " We have enough quality to get out of this" many times during our relegation to the Conference season and would agree that we played some pretty decent stuff at times that season without being able to win matches. The problem was the habit of losing just took over and once the pattern was set and the expectations sank with the approach of each match the downward spiral became unstoppable. There in lies the danger. Plymouth are just one club that have been caught up in this scenario since they fell out of the Championship , just how many clubs do we see struggling season after season because the habit of losing is so difficult to shake off. There have been huge indications of our failings this season and last for that matter, lets face it if Bobby and Eunan had not been here we would have struggled last term. Lingy played his jokers at the same time and was lucky enough to inherit a real prospcet in Euanan . it paid off in the short term but hes now trying to bluff his way through this season with little investment in the playing squad. A dangerous game but he must have put his hand up to do it this way. I can only hope that he gets dealt a decent hand before the fickle supporters compound matters and really get on his back,when you lose the supporters you really do have an uphill challenge.
My education started when I left Highweek School for boys..
Thank you Wildebeeste, I listened to Radio Devon and was under the impression we had been the team looking for all 3 points and had played well, with one defensive error and a cracking goal conceded. I then log on to see totally pessimistic posts and am reassured by a report from someone who was present. We are all disappointed when we lose, particularly if we feel we have not played well, but this does not seem to have been the case today. We need to be 100per cent behind the team on Tuesday.
Post by bridlingtongully on Jan 12, 2013 21:46:52 GMT
Hello everyone I was at the game today and it was the best game ive seen this season by a mile. I thought we played very well and Jarvis did excellent for me to play as well as he did after a nasty injury,
The only player who did nothing, and I mean nothing was Danny Stevens. He cannot start games for me home or away. Last 20mins in a game yes but it was embarrassing the contribution he gave today. He never ever runs at players, beats them and puts a cross in. He always turns round. People may slam me for saying that but for me, I think it is time he moved on. I would have prepared to see Bodin or Yeoman out there instead of him.
As someone said, Craig played very intelligently out wide and put in some great balls but sadly no-one was there to finish them off. For me we will be no where near the top 7 this season but all I say is remember what we have done this last two years. I agree with a lot of you that Ling is far to negative and I dont really like his style of football at times but he has done a lot for Torquay. Id like to see us to what Burton did today, get the ball out wide a lot more and have people on the overlap ready to cross the ball. I wont be at the Exeter game Tuesday but I hope we play like we did today and it should be a cracking game for you guys to see. I do think though if we lose then yes people will get at Ling again but to be fair, could anyone do any better? To be fair the money we spent on Bodin we could and should have been kept in the pot to top the squad up with loan signings if needed. This squad needs a few loans to freshen it up. Thanks everyone
I heard the statements " To good to go down" and " We have enough quality to get out of this" many times during our relegation to the Conference season and would agree that we played some pretty decent stuff at times that season without being able to win matches. The problem was the habit of losing just took over and once the pattern was set and the expectations sank with the approach of each match the downward spiral became unstoppable. There in lies the danger.
Nothing like changing history to suit an argument eh!
Our relegation to the conference season was a fait accompli once it was revealed that Roberts didn't care too shits for the playing side of the club - we had sold all of our playing assets by January and replaced them with a whole host of poor loanees and players that couldn't get contracts anywhere else.
We were easily the worst side in the league on paper and on the pitch, I'm not sure I can remember us playing "some pretty decent stuff" that year - relegation was a blessed relief after months and months of shite.
What is it with all these doom merchants......we're an average side on a poor run, it happens! you only have to hear the comments from most managers in this league that actually quite rate us.
We need 4 or 5 wins from 21 (yes....twenty one) matches to play to avoid relegation.
Post by martyfeldmanseyes on Jan 12, 2013 22:21:44 GMT
"you only have to hear the comments from most managers in this league that actually quite rate us."
I wouldn't pay too much attention to what other managers say. In an effort to talk up their teams performance they will say they had a great win because Torquay are great side, or if they lose they will say they lost to a great side. Spin.
I thought that a Saturday night curry, few beers and a Sunday carvery would lift my spirits, alas no it hasn't. The only thing its done is put me off going to St.James Park (not the real one) and Whaddon Road.